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USAGunner
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Post #106
Thursday May 26, 2016 8:36pm

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Zardes doesn't work anywhere on an international Soccer field. You can cross him off.

Where is Morris at? From what we have seen at the international level I'm not sure Nagbe works in a wide attacking role either. He was excellent as a CM in the 4-3-3 so far though.

Do agree that Dempsey doesn't work wide. In my lineups I've always had him centrally.
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rotosportsbook
Post #107
Thursday May 26, 2016 8:44pm

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 34
The Totti to Dempsey comparisons are interesting only in that it proves you don't need to be a speed wing to play on the outside of a 4-3-3. At the same time Totti plays that role much more like a false 9 (a role he was one of the originators of and in comfortable doing), so depending on your preferred tactical preference that may or may not work. But anyway, Dempsey has a tiny fraction of the talent Totti does, their only similarity is their slowness, so really that's a non-starter.

But Bedoya is an example of an effective 4-3-3 attacker who is not really a wing. The way Yedlin and Fabian get forward we can definitely get by with one attacker who pinches in. But the other needs to be a Pulisic or Fabian who keeps width and presses with speed.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #108
Thursday May 26, 2016 9:30pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
Original post from USAGunner
Do agree that Dempsey doesn't work wide. In my lineups I've always had him centrally.

THANK YOU! I was starting to think I was the delusional one.

TheTruth
Post #109
Thursday May 26, 2016 10:40pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Yedlin was good. He's our RB. Closest thing to lock-for-next-three-years as anyone. Once again, I love how a bunch of people can watch the same game and see opposite things. . .

My prediction is that Zardes sees the field very little if any at Copa. Klinsy's not a complete moron. He's brought his best 23 (or at least he thinks he has). Not a big detriment to have Zardes for CONCACAF, but Klinsy knows he can't afford Zardes when he needs points off Columbia, Costa Rica, Paraguay.

Good to see a guy who learned how to play soccer in Pennsylvania look like the guy that many of you think the US is incapable of producing.

cleancutimage
Post #110
Thursday May 26, 2016 11:02pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,309
I am glad to see Nagbe is a player that likes to keep possession, play it along the ground and not have the ball on his feet for too long but one thing I didn't him do is take on a player one on one or go out players. I thought he was known for that. I would to see more of them from him, if so. We need more players that can take on someone one v one and get past numerous defenders. I saw Pulisic do it to get to the touch line and get himself in a good place to send in a dangerous cross.

Know Nothing
Post #111
Thursday May 26, 2016 11:04pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,702
Original post from TheTruth

Yedlin was good. He's our RB. Closest thing to lock-for-next-three-years as anyone. Once again, I love how a bunch of people can watch the same game and see opposite things. . .

My prediction is that Zardes sees the field very little if any at Copa. Klinsy's not a complete moron. He's brought his best 23 (or at least he thinks he has). Not a big detriment to have Zardes for CONCACAF, but Klinsy knows he can't afford Zardes when he needs points off Columbia, Costa Rica, Paraguay.

Good to see a guy who learned how to play soccer in Pennsylvania look like the guy that many of you think the US is incapable of producing.


I was puzzled why he chose Orozco over Ream as that allows him to leave Zardes on the bench and move FabJo up to the wing. If JK wanted to go extra conservative, he could also play Chandler at RB and Yedlin on the wing, though that would limit us moving forward.

bjelks
Post #112
Thursday May 26, 2016 11:08pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,366
Best side is very questionable.

Quite a few of his bench players offer nothing.

Williams or Morales over the Beckerman the statue.
Rubin or Fafa over Wondo.
Arriola over Zardes
Villafana or Shea over Orozco
Finlay and Lttetget over Zusi and Bedoya.
Hindman over Kitchen.

Speed speed speed and playmaking
goalsense
Know Nothing
Post #113
Thursday May 26, 2016 11:29pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,702
Original post from bjelks

Best side is very questionable.

Quite a few of his bench players offer nothing.

Williams or Morales over the Beckerman the statue.
Rubin or Fafa over Wondo.
Arriola over Zardes
Villafana or Shea over Orozco
Finlay and Lttetget over Zusi and Bedoya.
Hindman over Kitchen.

Speed speed speed and playmaking


Speed Speed Speed can also get you quickly out of position and unfamiliarity with your teammates can lead to turnovers. It is a little obvious JK will play a little more conservatively against our group opponents.

Because he will be playing conservatively, he has chosen players that are a known commodity...that he knows what they can produce...Zusi and Bedoya certainly offer that. I like Finlay and IMO he should have been brought over Zardes.

He certainly wants a defensive midfielder with bite which is why Beckerman and Kitchen are there. On ability Williams or Hyndman surely are better, bot not on graft.

TheTruth
Post #114
Friday May 27, 2016 3:44am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Yeah I love how half the people bitch about most of our players having shitty technique and that we play kick and run. And then the other half bitch about a player if he doesn't have world class speed like Yedlin or Zardes.

skangles
DC
Post #115
Friday May 27, 2016 4:41am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,446
Original post from Jzaval01

https://twitter.com/Ben_Jata/status/735637064...
lol

zusi wide open...


I missed that while watching the game. That was a really good opportunity, Yedlin needs to make the pass.

Rey Regicide
Post #116
Friday May 27, 2016 12:53pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from rotosportsbook

The Totti to Dempsey comparisons are interesting only in that it proves you don't need to be a speed wing to play on the outside of a 4-3-3. At the same time Totti plays that role much more like a false 9 (a role he was one of the originators of and in comfortable doing), so depending on your preferred tactical preference that may or may not work. But anyway, Dempsey has a tiny fraction of the talent Totti does, their only similarity is their slowness, so really that's a non-starter.

But Bedoya is an example of an effective 4-3-3 attacker who is not really a wing. The way Yedlin and Fabian get forward we can definitely get by with one attacker who pinches in. But the other needs to be a Pulisic or Fabian who keeps width and presses with speed.


right, that's all I was trying to say.. I feel Dempsey should be moved on, or not because we don't have to accommodate his talent, we should be accommodating Bradley Nagbe and Pulisic at the moment.

However you do have to admit that the man contributes and if Zardes was anymore creative he would have had an assist (which for me is a Dempsey rarity, I brought up a year ago the fact that I don't think Dempsey has many assists for the USMNT) But what he does have is the "i'll try stuff" ala Bruce Arena. And the way he played that, when given the chance is what I had in mind with Totti.

I don't understand comparing Italy to the United States, we're not Italy. They stopped needing Totti when Cassano, DiNatale, Balotelli came up, we haven't pushed anyone up since 2006. =(

When Pirlo gets, or got the ball he wasn't trying to take players 1 v 1, he'll make his assessment slow the game down, and choose a pass or a crafty angle to get into position or maybe just take a shot from deep.

Those are all good things for us, it can work. We saw if we take Dempsey out, we'll play differently, and possibly better.. like the Wood, Nagbe Pulisic Fab connex on the left side.

I mean, when we didn't have Dempsey in the friendlies, and I know, this is taboo to cite friendlies, against Netherlands and Germany, those attacking runs, the link ups, were without Dempsey.

Rey Regicide
Post #117
Friday May 27, 2016 12:53pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from TheTruth

Yedlin was good. He's our RB. Closest thing to lock-for-next-three-years as anyone. Once again, I love how a bunch of people can watch the same game and see opposite things. . .

My prediction is that Zardes sees the field very little if any at Copa. Klinsy's not a complete moron. He's brought his best 23 (or at least he thinks he has). Not a big detriment to have Zardes for CONCACAF, but Klinsy knows he can't afford Zardes when he needs points off Columbia, Costa Rica, Paraguay.

Good to see a guy who learned how to play soccer in Pennsylvania look like the guy that many of you think the US is incapable of producing.


We've had guys with good technique, they're not the norm, and they were never coveted outside of Adu, by outside agents.

One thing I'd like to point out, Pulisic's dad Mark was an indoor professional. Maybe Mark stressed futsal and close control, maybe even hung out with Hugo Perez, who was an absolute indoor god in the US.

Not all of our guys are like that. Zelalem, Hyndman are, they were raised here.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #118
Friday May 27, 2016 1:18pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from bjelks

Best side is very questionable.

Quite a few of his bench players offer nothing.

Williams or Morales over the Beckerman the statue.
Rubin or Fafa over Wondo.
Arriola over Zardes
Villafana or Shea over Orozco
Finlay and Lttetget over Zusi and Bedoya.
Hindman over Kitchen.

Speed speed speed and playmaking


Williams and Morales might play better for Club, but they have not been as consistent or as good for the Red, White, and Blue.
Rubin or Fafa? Seriously? I love the talent of Rubin but he just came back from a long injury and is not even close to being in form, add that to go with little experience with the USMNT.
Arriola over Zardes...YEP.
While strictly talking LB, I would absolutely take Villafana and Shea over Orozco, you miss the point of why Orozco was brought. Versatility. So in that vein I would say Ream would be the more proper replacement. But That's really nit-picking. I prefer Ream over Orozco, but it's not a run-away. The 2 are close.
Finlay and Lletget over Zusi and Bedoya? No way. Maybe Finlay over Zusi you can make that argument. But Zusi played very well (better than Finlay) for us against Guatamala, and has been a very steady performer for the USMNT. Legit over Bedoya is just laughable. Lets take a guy who is doing well in the MLS with little USMNT experience over a guy who is doing well in Ligue 1 with lots of USMNT experience. Makes sense.

Hyndman over Kitchen makes no sense. They aren't the same position. nothing to see here.
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TheTruth
Post #119
Friday May 27, 2016 2:38pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Zusi never has a bad game. Zusi & Bedoya are very capable subs IMO. Look, I thought Zusi would be done after the WC like many others, but it turns out he's still got something to give. Like Jones (I know he was never near Jones level, but Jones clearly has still got something to give). But I know that I'm beating a dead horse vs. some of you guys who only care about an event that occurs once every 4 years and nothing else.

I was wrong about Zardes, as were many others. I said a couple years ago to assume he would be good by Russia so start playing him now. I'm starting to doubt this. Zusi and Bedoya are the bridge to some of the other younger guys. Obviously, Pulisic is here already. No, I can't see Zusi in Russia, but Bedoya - maybe.

Zusi and Bedoya will get PT in Copa and they'll perform fairly well. Even our best 11 can't play 90 3x in 7 days.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #120
Friday May 27, 2016 2:52pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from skangles

I missed that while watching the game. That was a really good opportunity, Yedlin needs to make the pass.


Exactly!!!, I watched the game live and replay on ESPN online. While watching live, you get a different perspective, where I thought Yedlin was out position, jittery and was getting abused in the game in the beginning, and when I watch online on TV, he looked pretty decent (with few gaffes)... The Ecuador attack was completely on Yedlin's side, nevertheless, he is getting better and better for sure...

Also, folks on the TV (ESPN had a caption covering up) missed a great touch by Pulisic on a semi-long ball from Guzan, the ball just died on his toes.

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