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Rey Regicide
Post #91
Thursday May 26, 2016 2:47pm

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Original post from kicksNgiggles10

I don't think Demps is a viable option as a winger at this point in his career. As much as I love him.


totti played out on the left until he was 39, he's a inside forward, tucking inside with craft and skill, it wouldn't be a symmetric formation, and that's ok

Know Nothing
Post #92
Thursday May 26, 2016 3:18pm

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Thoughts on last night...

Unless you pair him with someone willing to make intelligent runs to open space, Dempsey is useless as a lone striker...he needs to play behind a main striker. He only makes runs when he thinks he can score...otherwise he is trotting around the field.

Zardes...no need rehashing everything that has already been said here. He is not the only player with a heavy first touch, but with his missed chances he is the most glaring.

Birnbaum and Brooks had a nervy opening and will need to shore up their communication if they are to play together. They played a little better once we established and maintained possession in the second half, but the near breakaway shows that both need positional awareness.

Yedlin got caught upfield a few times and had one loose pass at an inopportune moment, but he contained Montero reasonably well.

Played well:

Nagbe, Pulisic, Wood, Zusi

Played not so well:

Zardes, Dempsey, Beckerman

Rey Regicide
Post #93
Thursday May 26, 2016 3:23pm

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if by 2018 we get zelalem and hyndman... seriously, we have a defense that has been for years getting acquianted brooks cameron yedlin, FJ, besler

and a totally revamped front 6

exciting times.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #94
Thursday May 26, 2016 4:02pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Original post from Rey Regicide

if by 2018 we get zelalem and hyndman... seriously, we have a defense that has been for years getting acquianted brooks cameron yedlin, FJ, besler

and a totally revamped front 6

exciting times.


Yep. My friend was commenting how last night (2nd half) was the most exciting he has seen USA play, perhaps ever. That's against Ecuador (a good South American side) A-Squad.

If Hyndman can continue to grow and get some steady playing time it would be very exciting to watch this:
Guzan
Yedlin - Cameron - Brooks - FabJo
Bradley
Hyndman-Nagbe
Morris - Wood - Pulisic
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kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #95
Thursday May 26, 2016 4:46pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Rey Regicide

totti played out on the left until he was 39, he's a inside forward, tucking inside with craft and skill, it wouldn't be a symmetric formation, and that's ok

Not at the international level. He hasn't played for Italy in 10 years. Furthermore, are we comparing Depmsey to Totti?

munns5986
Post #96
Thursday May 26, 2016 5:36pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Last night was the first night for me that the younger players really started to show they should supplant the older players. There have been bright spots in the past that showed they were capable but there was never a complete performance.

Nagbe's domination in the second half was great to see. To me he and Wood should both start and I think they will. I did really enjoy watching Pulisic on the left side as well but I would bring him off the bench right now. I don't want to say he should be your first sub because if the starter is doing great then I would hold off. That is just he nature of the game.

I guess I definitely watched a different game than several of you because I thought Yedlin played a pretty good game. Only once did I really feel like the Ecuador player beat him. He did get caught forward at times but that is the risk we are taking by sending him forward. Jones getting pissed about it shows that he no longer wants to have to cover for the back. He wants to go forward. Yedlin went forward and was dangerous then but there was no one there to pass to. It is Jones' job to help cover in those situations.

Brooks is another player that I thought played a really good game. I am not sure off the top of my head if he and Birnbaum had ever played together so the communication issues and being out of position at the beginning does not completely surprise me. I really hope he is on the verge of becoming that dominate CB that we need. Once Birnbaum got settled into the game I thought he actually played well also. Definitely some lapses but you will get that with young players especially against that speed. Besides I think he is definitely slotted in behind Cameron right now as the backup so this was a good experience for him.

Zardes and Beckerman for me were bad. Zardes is super athletic but as everyone has said his first touch is terrible. Beckerman just does not have the speed necessary to be dominate against teams like Ecuador and Colombia. I am glad he is on the team as he is a great role model for the younger DMs but if he isn't sharp mentally and in the right position he will hurt us.

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Texas
Post #97
Thursday May 26, 2016 6:02pm

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And ppl here were saying Pulisic shouldn't be called in. Telling me i was wrong. Props to those who did agree with me and great job Jurgueno for giving him a shot. What if besler goes to LB. Besler Brooks Cameron Yedlin. He is fast. Fastest at US camp once and has a good left foot. That would give us a great offensive player in Fabjo.

camparkinson
Post #98
Thursday May 26, 2016 6:03pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Nagbe has to start, Wood has to start... we better not see Zardes start again... I think moving Dempsey wide makes a lot of sense. I've said for a long time that Dempsey has no real position and does very little to create for anyone else but he is of course capable of magical moments.

Dempsey----Wood-//---Bedoya
----Nagbe-/////-//--Jones---
------MB90-----
Johnson--Brooks--Cameron--Yedlin

I still don't get how Morris isn't on this squad....

Rey Regicide
Post #99
Thursday May 26, 2016 6:12pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from USAGunner

Yep. My friend was commenting how last night (2nd half) was the most exciting he has seen USA play, perhaps ever. That's against Ecuador (a good South American side) A-Squad.

If Hyndman can continue to grow and get some steady playing time it would be very exciting to watch this:
Guzan
Yedlin - Cameron - Brooks - FabJo
Bradley
Hyndman-Nagbe
Morris - Wood - Pulisic


Bro the last 12 minutes against Belgium didn't do it for you?

We literally had them teetering, they threw a copule punches back, but the green goal, the dempsey getting at the end of the free kick half chance, the wondowlolski, the green almost three toeing the bal lin falling that was pretty exciting... I guess you mean like technical, like the passing and watching defenders get ghosted.

Rey Regicide
Post #100
Thursday May 26, 2016 6:18pm

Joined Sep 2013
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I just saw the footprint, and I have a serious question I want to throw at you guys.

Nagbe's footprints were exclusively on the left side. As we were saying he's not a left winger if anything Pulisic occupied that during the game. I would argue again that pulisic was more left forward but shemantics ....

Why was Nagbe so exclusively to the left? DO you thin Klinsmann designs it that way? Like against Portugal and in the Mexico Gold cup playoff game, Jermaine Jones was exclusively on the left side... In theory a 4 3 3 the middle three should be, with the possible of exception of the CDM totally interchangeable, like appearing everywhere the ball is, ready to support. Do you think the USA tried to play exclusively down the left side?

Maybe Nagbe made the executive decision to not want to mess around wiht anyone not named Fabian J. and Pulisic. (not a bad choice)

I'm just curious, what do you guys think?

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #101
Thursday May 26, 2016 6:55pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Rey, That was my friends quote not mine. But I do believe he was talking about technical and the passing.
Which I agree with. Seeing 3-4 or more passes being stringed together in an attack was beautiful to see. Not just maybe 1-2 passes and running by someone. But passing the ball, moving to an open area, having the ball played back to you while in motion, then laying it off to another player...all while moving forward. Just beautiful to see.

It's beautiful to see that kind of ability for the USA. What JK promised is finally coming to fruition. Mainly because he is finally getting the quality technical players to actually do that. Ones that actually get back on defense too.

As far as Nagbe on the left. I think it was mostly just where we were attacking. Nagbe and Pulisic were combining a lot as well as FabJo. It didn't matter who was on the other side Bedoya or Jones, it was the same. Most of the action was down the left. I think it did also have to do with how Colombia was playing as well. They seemed to be attacking largely on their left (Yedlin's side), which was also leaving counters and quick attacks open on that side (where we got the goal). The Right side of Colombia was weaker and we were stronger on the left. So naturally we attacked there.

I'd like to see what Pulisic, FabJo, Nagbe, Bradley (DM), and Wood can do for a full 90 together.
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dfw_fan
DfW
Post #102
Thursday May 26, 2016 6:57pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from Rey Regicide

I just saw the footprint, and I have a serious question I want to throw at you guys.

Nagbe's footprints were exclusively on the left side. As we were saying he's not a left winger if anything Pulisic occupied that during the game. I would argue again that pulisic was more left forward but shemantics ....

Why was Nagbe so exclusively to the left? DO you thin Klinsmann designs it that way? Like against Portugal and in the Mexico Gold cup playoff game, Jermaine Jones was exclusively on the left side... In theory a 4 3 3 the middle three should be, with the possible of exception of the CDM totally interchangeable, like appearing everywhere the ball is, ready to support. Do you think the USA tried to play exclusively down the left side?

Maybe Nagbe made the executive decision to not want to mess around wiht anyone not named Fabian J. and Pulisic. (not a bad choice)

I'm just curious, what do you guys think?


If I had to guess, it would be "Maybe Nagbe made the executive decision to not want to mess around wiht anyone not named Fabian J. and Pulisic. " and give some relief to Yedlin and the right flank

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #103
Thursday May 26, 2016 7:06pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from dunlopp9987

Jurgen Klinsmann could lead us to a Copa win, a World Cup win, cure cancer and defeat ISIS, and you still would not give him any credit.

You look completely inept when you're incapable of seeing the other side of things.


LOL, something similar running through my head...

Rey Regicide
Post #104
Thursday May 26, 2016 7:07pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
lol

I want to see a Nagbe checking off the right flank and someone going "Hey!! I'm open!!"

and him just going, "Yea, I know"

rainORshine
Post #105
Thursday May 26, 2016 7:55pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
at this point in his career dempsey does not work ANYWHERE in a 4-3-3. and its been the case for at least a couple of years now. he absolutely needs a central strike partner to be effective.

Sigi tried him wide in a 4-3-3 earlier this season and it was a complete disaster. i went to the CCL game v america and besides 2 goals that came off set-pieces he was pretty useless both offensively and defensively. Sigi abandoned the formation after about 1 month

the ONLY options for any of the "front 3" spots in 4-3-3 are:
- fabian (wide)
- bedoya (wide)
- finlay (wide)
- nagbe (wide)
- altidore (central)
- wood (either)
- zardes (CENTRAL)
- pulisic (wide)

for me, wood is the only option dynamic enough to get job done in that lone central spot:

------wood-------
pulisic--------fabian

then you need an LB. id go with villafana. with options JK brought chandler is the other LB option. or you could plug in bedoya, nagbe or zardes (with wood moving to RW) and send fab back to LB

dempsey in a 4-3-3? exhibit # 2389 why JK needs to go

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