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bjelks
Post #76
Thursday May 26, 2016 4:05am

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I don't remember hearing beckerman's name all night and klinsy plays dwilliams out of position, then y'all say he plays bad for us. And morales is listed as a dm by jk.

We had no attacking presence in 1st half and Bradley played cm. What did he do so well other than chase the ball in a circle?
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #77
Thursday May 26, 2016 4:18am

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Original post from bjelks

I don't remember hearing beckerman's name all night and klinsy plays dwilliams out of position, then y'all say he plays bad for us. And morales is listed as a dm by jk.

We had no attacking presence in 1st half and Bradley played cm. What did he do so well other than chase the ball in a circle?


JJ did what in this game exactly? Bradley broke up plays, sprayed the ball around and had instant chemistry with Nagbe. I like JJ, but Bradley is a better DM.

dunlopp9987
Post #78
Thursday May 26, 2016 4:18am

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Original post from bjelks

I don't remember hearing beckerman's name all night and klinsy plays dwilliams out of position, then y'all say he plays bad for us. And morales is listed as a dm by jk.

We had no attacking presence in 1st half and Bradley played cm. What did he do so well other than chase the ball in a circle?


His delivery is still the best on the team. Remember the cross he sent in from the left that 3 players just absolutely whiffed on in the second half?
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bjelks
Post #79
Thursday May 26, 2016 4:25am

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So how do you keep Bradley, jones, nagbe, and pullisic on the field at the same time?
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dfw_fan
DfW
Post #80
Thursday May 26, 2016 4:44am

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You get a different perspective of the game when you are at the match.
Stadium was 1/2 full. Got to the game an hour early and got to listen to National Anthem three times (Practice and more).
First half was brutal... got to see the brick foot of Zardes, he should not even be in the top 40. Awful touch by Dempsey in the box with no one around, then we had the magical second half with all the subs in. I am hoping to see that as the starting line up going forward.

Pulisic's football IQ, movement of the ball, he is constantly checking the position of ECU players even when the ball was on the other side of the field, his defensive presence. He was also cutting of passing lanes when he was 15 feet away from the players.

Equador was exploiting Yedlin to the max, he was beaten constantly...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #81
Thursday May 26, 2016 4:47am

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Original post from bjelks

So how do you keep Bradley, jones, nagbe, and pullisic on the field at the same time?


In a 4-3-3.

Pulisic-------Wood-//------Dempsey
-------Nagbe-/////--//---Jones-----
------------MB90----------

skangles
DC
Post #82
Thursday May 26, 2016 5:24am

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Watched the game late, I'll catch up on this thread tomorrow. For now I just have a few things to say.

1) The second half was great to see. In the scheme of things I'm glad we looked so lackluster in the first half and we significantly improved when Wood and Nagbe (and later Pulisic) entered the game. That should clarify a lot for Klinsmann.

2) Credit to Klinsmann tonight, he stopped with his out of position nonsense and played guys in roles that made sense, especially Yedlin and Bradley. He also made two smart subs at half time and finally gave us what we wanted to see and it paid off.

3) Twellman has to at least be an honorable mention for man of the match. He was spot on all night. His best performance of his post-playing career.

blaise213
Post #83
Thursday May 26, 2016 5:37am

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Original post from skangles

2) Credit to Klinsmann tonight, he stopped with his out of position nonsense and played guys in roles that made sense, especially Yedlin and Bradley.


Klinsmann gets NO credit! He keeps bringing in shitty roster selections and shit starting XI's. All he did was correct his mistake. Everyone already wanted Wood, Pulisic, and Nagbe to start!

Nobody wants to see Zusi, Zardes, Wondolowlski, beckerman, Orozco on the field!

MSantoine
Post #84
Thursday May 26, 2016 11:13am

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So you mean we looked bad with beckerman, zardes, and jones. Then looked great with pulisic, nagbe, and wood. Wow. Wh could have possibly seen that coming...

In all seriously if Juergen doesn't see that playing nagbe solves the two biggest us weaknesses (Bradley taking over the com role that kitchen, dwill, morales don't seem ready for and nagbe in the cam role) then he really should be fired. You can preach and coach speak all you want but when things are that clear you can't ignore it.

Rey Regicide
Post #85
Thursday May 26, 2016 11:50am

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Original post from blaise213

Somebody want to re-post what i said about what bringing in Nagbe and Pulisic would do ?


fair enough... you have been their advocates.. but you don' tneed to be 6 9 and a 7 1 wing span in soccer to play well. Pulisic holds the ball better than Altidore and he is outmassed by like 4 to 1. So does Wood for that matter, anyone see that too?

Rey Regicide
Post #86
Thursday May 26, 2016 12:09pm

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2tone I agree Bradley played well, I honestly don't think beckerman played badly at all, he's a statue yes, so is Busquets. that's their role.. like Duncan was a statue for the spurs, he occupied the middle. if he's chasing guards the whole game, somethings wrong with your team, not the player

that being said, Bradley would be an upgrade over Beckerman (honestly still feel cameron is the best CDM we have)... but did you see that play he broke up

the Ecuadoran 1 v 1 on goal..

yes that was incredible middle of the park tackle, actually front of the box tackle, even more impressive.. but the thing is.. and this is why I say that a statue is needed.. Bradley was a bit caught up field... it was compounded because.. like I've been saying yedlin and Fabian were both pressing up high.. it wasn't yedlin's fault but the natural tendency between the two is to go up field instead of camp, like ream... this can't happen if we play with 3 mid's. there has to be an assymetry to prevent that from happening, to allow for a shifting of the CBs to the left or right in order to occupy vacated space.

there is NO way i'm advocating for ream over fabian, fabian remains our best lwb, lb or whatever you want to call him... the issue is, and this is a jk issue, he has to see that space being opened up by our mids... introducing nagbe in a more halfway role would help, because the man is a straight up beast in midfield. he wants to, and will try to eat everything up.

this however, comes at a cost of the goals he would potentially score like last night.. you saw bedoya, wood, nagbe, pulisic all getting involved, bedoya at nagbe are two of that trio of cm's. it's an interesting dilemna, if jk can't figure it out he at least needs to see the problem and get someone who can.

also, remember all the yedlin as a winger hate? orozco came in and i was in my mind saying, JURGEN YOU IDIOT, PUSH FABIAN UP, put orozco on the left, let yedlin at RB... instead yedlin goes into rwm mode and delivers a halfway decent ball that wood and nagbe turned into a goal, lol

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #87
Thursday May 26, 2016 1:19pm

Joined Jul 2013
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I don't get the Yedlin talk. Yedlin played quite well. Of course he got caught up field 1-2 in the first half. He had to push up more, there was nothing else going on it attack. Even then the only time he didn't track back and stop the attack was when Jones got in his way.
That's the plus of having Yedlin's speed. You can get caught too far up field and still track back in time to stop the attack. Which he did. For the few times he did get caught up field, how many times did that lead to a good shot on goal? Heck Only once did it lead to a shot on goal at all.

Our back 4 played extremely well. They weren't the issue in the first half. Twellman caught it. It was the lack of possession from the midfield. They couldn't string anything together in the attack and thus we were on the back heel for the first 30'. EVEN still we gave up maybe one decent shot on goal with all that possession and Ecuador living in our third. That's a testament to the back 4. Brooks, Birnbaum, and Yedlin particularly. FabJo was quiet. But I'll take quiet over big mistakes.

I think we finally have a solid enough back 4 (especially when you think that we were missing perhaps our best CB at the moment in Cameron) that we can go with Bradley over Beckerman, and allow him to get forward on occasion.

Nagbe definitely earned himself a start. He was awesome last night. The combination play between him and Pulisic. Something you rarely see for the USMNT. Because we just don't normally have 2+ technical players on the field at the same time. It was even better when you added Wood into that.

The only thing I'm mad at regarding the starting XI was Zardes. I have been saying for a year how awful he is. And no Rain he is not good centrally either. Why? because the thing that FAILS him the most is his first touch and his finishing. That doesn't change when you put him up top centrally. I've been saying that he should not be in the 23. If he is in the 23 he should only be an option outwide to open the game up as a 70-80' sub. THAT IS IT. Where he can use his speed against tired legs.

Wood is better than Dempsey right now. All there is too it.

Pulisic, Wood, Nagbe need to be on the field. Plain and simple.

I knew the 4-3-3 was the formation we were going to run. That is JK's preferred formation. I think he figured out some things tonight.

Starting lineup (hopeful) for Bolivia
GK-Guzan
RB-Yedlin
CB-Cameron (if healthy, Birnbaum if not)
CB-Brooks (sub him out at the half for Besler, keep him fresh)
LB-FabJo
DM-Bradley (looked much more comfortable there with Nagbe at CM)
RCM-Bedoya (I think Jones is better, but I would prefer Bedoya as he works/pairs with Yedlin better)
LCM-Nagbe (It is clear at this point that this is his position, and he is one of our better players)
RW-Wood (has to be starting
CF-Dempsey
LW-Pulisic (I know I said that we should slow play him...but he is too good)

I also think that come world Cup that has a very good chance of being our starting lineup. Maybe someone like Hyndman can take over RCM, and if Altidore is healthy he can be the CF over Dempsey (with Dempsey as a super-sub). Or Wood centrally with Morris out wide (probably the best option).

Either way I think things are starting to shape up finally for 2018.
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Rey Regicide
Post #88
Thursday May 26, 2016 1:34pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from USAGunner

The only thing I'm mad at regarding the starting XI was Zardes. I have been saying for a year how awful he is. And no Rain he is not good centrally either.


that feed from dempsey to Zardes was literally a CAM to Centre forward chip, and Zardes butchered it..

granted it wasn't academic. he had 3 guys ready to pounce on him, but his touch was tough to watch

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #89
Thursday May 26, 2016 2:13pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
Original post from 2tone

In a 4-3-3.

Pulisic----Wood-//---Dempsey
----Nagbe-/////-//--Jones---
------MB90-----

I don't think Demps is a viable option as a winger at this point in his career. As much as I love him.

dunlopp9987
Post #90
Thursday May 26, 2016 2:30pm

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from blaise213

Klinsmann gets NO credit! He keeps bringing in shitty roster selections and shit starting XI's. All he did was correct his mistake. Everyone already wanted Wood, Pulisic, and Nagbe to start!

Nobody wants to see Zusi, Zardes, Wondolowlski, beckerman, Orozco on the field!


Jurgen Klinsmann could lead us to a Copa win, a World Cup win, cure cancer and defeat ISIS, and you still would not give him any credit.

You look completely inept when you're incapable of seeing the other side of things.
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