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kicksNgiggles10
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Post #16
Wednesday May 11, 2016 2:37pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from TheTruth

Not to be gay or anything (not there's anything wrong with that), but he's ripped like a MoFo. There ain't nothing soft about him.
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Dave
Post #17
Wednesday May 11, 2016 4:08pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 721
Original post from Rey Regicide

I don't know why people label JK as someone who's unwilling to give youngsters or new people a chance.
Pulisic is not old.
Green wasn't old.
Zelalem wasn't called to camps.
Hyndman was called up and played a game for Nats.
He WANTS to call up these guys because he thinks they're skilled and trustworthy and the nguyens failhabers, SK's etc those are NOT.

Could it because he sees them in the MLS? I don't know.


While JK is often willing to give young players a chance (spot minutes) he has also shown that he is unwilling/unable to recognize when to move on from his favorites. When you look at some of the players he seems to have an unreasonable attachment to/for they tend to be of the older fringe persuasion....Orozco, Wondo, Evans, etc....
These are players who have shown time and again that they should no longer be a part of the National Team picture. He's also shown a reluctance to begin phasing other older members of the squad out. Jones, Beckerman, & Dempsey while still able to contribute and should be part of the extended pool shouldn't be 90 minute players at this point. They either need to transition into super-subs, or be subbed during the 2nd half of matches. This would allow them to save their legs, allowing them to be more effective....and give younger players time & game experience.

hamsamwich
Post #18
Wednesday May 11, 2016 4:20pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,501
But that's just your opinion @dave- you can't say that Evans for example has been too poor to play. That's just not true. Same with Wondo and to an extent, Orozco. If they are better than Zardes, Chandler and Gonzo they should still make the 23.

MSantoine
Post #19
Wednesday May 11, 2016 5:07pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,721
Original post from Dave

While JK is often willing to give young players a chance (spot minutes) he has also shown that he is unwilling/unable to recognize when to move on from his favorites. When you look at some of the players he seems to have an unreasonable attachment to/for they tend to be of the older fringe persuasion....Orozco, Wondo, Evans, etc....
These are players who have shown time and again that they should no longer be a part of the National Team picture. He's also shown a reluctance to begin phasing other older members of the squad out. Jones, Beckerman, & Dempsey while still able to contribute and should be part of the extended pool shouldn't be 90 minute players at this point. They either need to transition into super-subs, or be subbed during the 2nd half of matches. This would allow them to save their legs, allowing them to be more effective....and give younger players time & game experience.


The two examples of this are Confed Cup- bringing in Beasley & Guatemala bringing in Zusi. Beasley was not the best option at LB that game. But we had a poor gold cup so lets blame it somewhere. Then we lose to Guatemala when we play like crap. Lets turn back to Zusi. We could have beaten Guatemala at home with Nageb, Nguyen, Pulisic going 90', or any other option who is a realistic option to play going forward. The slightest bit of trouble and he goes sprinting back to the vets.

Even with the 40 man prelim. 21 of 23 or something like that were on the world cup team. Its sad that two years later we still have essentially the same (the same team that couldnt win a knockout round in World Cup)

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #20
Wednesday May 11, 2016 5:58pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 569
Until Demps stops finding the net he should still be getting significant mins. As far as Jones goes....dude is in pretty nice form right now. I'll give you Beckerman. I like the guy and think he does a solid job most of the time. But sure, let's look at Kitchen, Morales or Williams from here on. However, I find it difficult to be mad at a coach for bringing a guy in (Zusi) who immediately scores a goal. Also, am I making this up or did he also have a assist? I am not a big Zusi fan, but really, we are complaining about a coaching decision that proved to be a good one? Even if we could have easily beat them without him, he delivered.

dolcem
Post #21
Wednesday May 11, 2016 6:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,729
Original post from MSantoine

The two examples of this are Confed Cup- bringing in Beasley & Guatemala bringing in Zusi. Beasley was not the best option at LB that game. But we had a poor gold cup so lets blame it somewhere. Then we lose to Guatemala when we play like crap. Lets turn back to Zusi. We could have beaten Guatemala at home with Nageb, Nguyen, Pulisic going 90', or any other option who is a realistic option to play going forward. The slightest bit of trouble and he goes sprinting back to the vets.

Even with the 40 man prelim. 21 of 23 or something like that were on the world cup team. Its sad that two years later we still have essentially the same (the same team that couldnt win a knockout round in World Cup)


You can't say that we would have beaten Team A with players B, C, and D. We never saw it happen. More importantly, it's just not about which players are picked, it's about how the coach can get them to play together. It's not like if we just picked the One True Lineup that this team needs (and just about everyone on the forum thinks they know exactly what that is) they would instantly play well together. It might take them a while to gel. They might not fit the coach's style or the project he is trying to implement. Either way, the lineup game is a futile exercise.

We're still a bit early in the cycle to hand the reins to the young guns. The national team is NO PLACE for a young player's development. That is done almost entirely at the club level, because that's where they spend over 90% of their time training and playing. It's not like by just playing all of the young players, their overall ratings will improve because of the extra games they get in. Changing guards to early is one of the worst things you can do to a national team. First of all, it's a terrible idea to give a youngster time on the national team before they've really earned it. Their egos go up to the ceiling and it can even set careers off track. Pulisic probably deserves to start for the USNT, but no way should we just give some could who has played a couple of professional matches the starting #10 role. We have two more years until the World Cup, what's the rush?

Playing young players too early is also a great way to mess up the atmosphere of the locker room. Both Coach Bob and Klinsmann are firm believers in "work ethic first, talent second." By picking some really mediocre MLS players that are model professionals (Wondolowski), it sends a message to everyone that no matter how talented you are, you need to work for your place. This is why perhaps no national team in the world is as tenacious as the USNT. It doesn't matter if you're a legend (Donovan), if you show up to camp with a beer belly and the idea that you don't need to give 110% every day, you won't get picked. Because of this mentality he has instilled, everyone on the USNT works their fucking asses off, and that's the only way we're going to every win anything. And players like Jones and Beckerman teach this to every young guy that comes into camp. They are still very useful servants to the NT for that reason.

Perhaps most importantly, say we do just throw out the old guard and bring in a bunch of teenagers. Then what happens when they play poorly-and they will, these are young kids who won't be consistent? Do we still keep on playing them anyway just because they're young and we (mistakenly) think it will be good for their development? That's clearly a really bad route. So what do we do, bring the old guard back? After having kicked them out of the picture? That just screams of terrible management.

Both Klinsmann and Coach Bob (although he went too far) have it right. The first year or two of the cycle you still use the old guard and pick the players who have earned it, the guys who can instill a sense of tenacity in the young kids. You slowly bleed in the young kids, and if they unseat an older player, let them play. If not, don't play them just because they're younger (just a terrible way to do things). Then a year or two out from the World Cup, you make the transition and start to let the young kids who deserve it get more and more time with the NT. But every World Cup team needs some veterans too. It doesn't need to be 23 teenagers. Give the hardest working players a spot and the young ones that are strong enough to survive will make it, and the team as a whole will be better for it.

Klinsmann has played and managed all over top clubs in Europe. I think he knows a thing or two about how to run a locker room and remember, this is the guy that got rid of the German old guard to bring in a bunch of unproven young guys that eventually became mainstays long after he left. I think he values the importance of youth and I trust his judgement on these matters more than any YA poster.
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TheTruth
Post #22
Wednesday May 11, 2016 10:38pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Original post from Live490

I meant it by his ability to play on both wings, and at a good level. And his natural center position. Fancy dribbles here and there. Good with both feet. Dempsey was used on both wings. Then later centrally. Or not? Also had some dribble to his game.


OK, maybe in the narrow way you describe.

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