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Post #1
Wednesday April 20, 2016 8:51pm

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http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arse...

Would we rather he sit on the bench all season and play in 4-10 cup games and/or make a few league apps, or go back to Rangers for the year and get more consistent minutes?

Personally, I'm for the Rangers loan again. He's shown he's first team quality there, and he's been getting minutes, and at such a young age he's got the time to improve and still make a run at the Arsenal first team in the 17-18 season. If he still can't get a good look-in after that he should look for a permanent move elsewhere...maybe Swansea if the Americans take over...

goods
Post #2
Wednesday April 20, 2016 11:39pm

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If that attitude is the real thing he will be fine either way. I think his biggest issue will be Wagner getting sacked if Arsenal does not make Champions League. If that where to happen, would not be shocked to see him sold to Rangers. That option, might be best scenerio, as Rangers would want him to get tons of minutes and flip him to a larger club, with Arsenal getting first rights of refusal.

MSantoine
Post #3
Thursday April 21, 2016 11:29am

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He has looked lost plenty of time with Rangers, a team that night in night out dominates possesion. He's no where near EPL ready at this point. He should stay with Rangers another year if they want him back (not sure how much they'll spend on new players). Also if Rangers with the Scottish Cup Final (they split the 4 matches with them with home side winning each time) then they will play in Europa League. Would be great to see hm get some Europa League minutes.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #4
Thursday April 21, 2016 1:18pm

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I'm all for a Loan move back to Rangers. Been saying all year he isn't ready for Arsenal. Even if he is ready for EPL minutes, he doesn't crack the lineup for Arsenal in 16-17.
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Rey Regicide
Post #5
Thursday April 21, 2016 7:47pm

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if i were arsene wenger

my whole project to moving him to rangers is not tos ee if he can become the captain and have the fans fall in love with him and tease him with a contract or anything like that...

Since we know he's capable of ball control, since he's capable of finding passes in tight spots (with good teammates)

Let's see how he reacts to the physicality of scottish league football, and Rangers training sessions.

my impressoin scouts were like.. he's good

rangers manager is like, he's not what we need (right, Wenger wasn't doing you a favour, you were doing him one for offering a sandbox with a bunch of brutes running around spewing "you need to bulk up")

Wenger says that Zelalem is ready for first team. I feel confident in my crazy theory.

just remember, please, rangers manager and fans care only about winning and winning comfortably. Wenger cares about evaluation. At times those things aren't aligned.

Rey Regicide
Post #6
Thursday April 21, 2016 7:54pm

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now when I say ready, that's ready to be tested now in the premiership

Arsene still doesn't know what he has on his hands in premier league contests. But he will assimilate him slowly. And like Pulisic he will make mistakes and Wenger will identify it as being acceptable, or something that needs to be address with him away from the first team. That's my assertion.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #7
Thursday April 21, 2016 8:26pm

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Warburton is all about evaluation and and growing youngsters. He's never afraid to play them and help them grow. That's his MO. That's why Wenger sent him there...

Wenger rates a LOT of young guys. The stuff he said about Gnabry 3 years ago was way more glowing than what he is saying about Zelalem now. You know what happened? Gnabry has been loaned 2 of the last 3 years...
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Rey Regicide
Post #8
Friday April 22, 2016 12:57pm

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Original post from USAGunner

Warburton is all about evaluation and and growing youngsters. He's never afraid to play them and help them grow. That's his MO. That's why Wenger sent him there...

Wenger rates a LOT of young guys. The stuff he said about Gnabry 3 years ago was way more glowing than what he is saying about Zelalem now. You know what happened? Gnabry has been loaned 2 of the last 3 years...


Do you mean 2013? Gnarby played 9 league games. Wenger wasn't lying about playing him. I'm not saying Zelalem will make it (not saying he wont', it's sink or swim, it's literally the baptismal by fire it's going to be test time). I'm saying he'll get his chance sooner than we think. Or sooner than we believe him to be ready for it. I want Zelalem to succeed.

I'm saying Wenger rates Zelalem and wasn't concerned about the lack of "10" qualities he exhibited at Rangers. Because I think there was a specific purpose to his stay there. Becoming Ozil of Rangers wasn't it.

I honestly don't mind watching Arsenal succeed I love their ethos. Or at least the intended ethos of controlling through attacking.

But I truly don't think Warburton is there to evaluate talent for Wenger. He was sent there on assignment, specific.

I don't think it's a Yedlin. Yedlin was sent somewhere else to be somewhere else. To see if he could make it in a team less stacked than Tottenham. He wasn't sent there to see if he could defend. He was literally sent there to be somewhere other than a place where the incoming manager didn't rate him. Pochetino said he was years away. Hopefully he's attracted potential suitors who don't feel that way about him.

You're saying he's not going to crack the lineup. I think it's too early for me to say, because of transfers coming in. But all things being equal this year, he's cracking 2016-2017 based on what's happened this year to him.

Put it this way, if Zelalem were to have concluded his stay at Rangers, and Wenger would have been like, "he is still naive to the professional game, and needs more loans" then I wouldn't be arguing this point. Wenger would NOT play him next year.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #9
Friday April 22, 2016 1:44pm

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Rey, I follow Arsenal religiously. If we sign no one, and keep our roster the same, Zelalem does not crack the lineup next year. He might make a cup game here and there and if a significant amount of injuries he could be a sub in a few games. But he will be much better off being loaned and getting more playing time. I'd actually prefer him loaned to either a lower level EPL side or a mid to top of the table Championship side. Someone like a Swansea City.

Look at the the comments Wenger has made. "I always test the players in preseason and after I make an assessment on how close they are to the first team. If he is not close, he needs to play something."

That was when asked about Zelalem going out on loan prior to the start of this season.
That would seem to say that if Zelalem (or anyone) goes out on loan at Arsenal it's because they aren't close to the first team. I don't think 10-20 appearances in the Scottish Championship is going to change it so much that he is now ready after a year for Arsenal first team minutes. Especially when others like Jeff Reine-Adelaide have been doing so well and are even more thought of than Zelalem.

At this point I'd venture a prediction that Zelalem never makes it with Arsenal, and by 2018 is sold to another EPL squad and becomes a full-time starter.
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Rey Regicide
Post #10
Friday April 22, 2016 2:54pm

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Wait by crack the lineup, we mean get his shot, or to make it?

Cause Gnarby cracked the lineup right, but he "didn't make it".

I didn't know he is 20 years old. Thought he was a little bit older.

I just like how Joel Campbell's contributed, and while Campbell's got man strength/speed/awareness and edge, I honestly don't think he's more skilled than Zelalem. That doesn't always amount to much, but with Wenger those things carry weight, from what I've seen. Well I respect your opinion and inside knowledge... here's hoping Gedion makes it.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #11
Friday April 22, 2016 4:42pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,307
Original post from Rey Regicide

Wait by crack the lineup, we mean get his shot, or to make it?

Cause Gnarby cracked the lineup right, but he "didn't make it".

I didn't know he is 20 years old. Thought he was a little bit older.

I just like how Joel Campbell's contributed, and while Campbell's got man strength/speed/awareness and edge, I honestly don't think he's more skilled than Zelalem. That doesn't always amount to much, but with Wenger those things carry weight, from what I've seen. Well I respect your opinion and inside knowledge... here's hoping Gedion makes it.


I absolutely hope he makes it. And me thinking he never catches on at Arsenal has more to do with the other prospects at Arsenal being better and more thought of than Zelalem. Saw a list today that had GZ as like the 8th best prospect at Arsenal. With a few of those ahead of him Central Midfielders.
It's a good problem to have for Arsenal, but unfortunately all of them are not going to be World Class players. We'll be lucky if half of them are.
On top of that Arsenal is sitting on a HUGE pile of money that they can spend on players.
They also have a HOST of very good Central Midfielders who are Professional International level players, some of which are World Class already, that are ahead of him.
He has an uphill climb on a slippery mountain with others racing him.
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MSantoine
Post #12
Saturday May 21, 2016 5:35pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Good news is GZ is starting in the cup final with a chance to get in Europa league.

Bad news rangers have brought in a 19 year old English youth midfielder from Liverpool. He got a handful of matches with Liverpool so I'm guessing he's instantly ahead of GZ

skangles
DC
Post #13
Saturday May 21, 2016 6:37pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,169
Gedion is headed back to Arsenal for the pre-season and they'll figure out what happens from there. He said he's open to returning to Gers if Arsenal decide to loan him out again. I can't see him featuring for Arsenal next season so we have to assume another loan deal is forthcoming.

Jzaval01
Post #14
Sunday May 22, 2016 5:42am

Joined May 2013
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SPL for 19/20 yr old wouldnt be too bad.

cleancutimage
Post #15
Sunday May 22, 2016 2:15pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,176
If he wants to play for Arsenal any time soon, he has to dominate the SPL next year if he goes back to Rangers. Create a boat load of chances and get the occasional goal(something he hasn't shown he can do). I think he has to be around the league lead in assists, score 5 goals or so, and just be a menace to defenses to have a chance to make the first team for Arsenal in 2017-18.

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