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Post #16
Thursday April 7, 2016 6:44pm

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at some point MB90 slows down and is converted to a 6. so far this season he basically acts as the "anchor" of TFCs midfield, basically a 6.

with no "perfect" other option might as well slide MB back now and put younger legs - williams or whoever else - into the box-to-box role.

or, yes, williams could hold if you asked him to

hamsamwich
Post #17
Friday April 8, 2016 2:15am

Joined Oct 2013
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@dave-- I'm not sure I'm putting "too much" into their roles. We need a shield for the back 4 if we are going to play like this... Danny Williams is one of my favorite players, I repeatedly advocate for him to get time with the national team. But the few times he's been given that role it hasn't quite fit his style. As for Bradley, perhaps, but it has to be his decision to drop back there. If he still wants to charge all over he's not the choice. I'm all for replacing Kyle, I really am. But it has to happen because it's real, not because we shoehorn somebody in there.

hamsamwich
Post #18
Thursday June 2, 2016 12:31pm

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So on the eve of the Copa, is Bradley our new #6??? Or does Jürgen go with the old reliable in the Colombia game?

Rey Regicide
Post #19
Thursday June 2, 2016 1:00pm

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Going forward it would have to be Danny Williams.

But then we have a circle of Jones, Nagbe, Bedoya and potentially nguyen/any stock of CM we might choose

or

Bradley, as the no. 8 and whatever number the other CM is in a 4 3 3. 8(b)?

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #20
Thursday June 2, 2016 1:06pm

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I think Bradley is the new #6. Only time we'll see Beckerman this tournament is to give Bradley a rest in meaningless time. Bradley rarely needs rest, so if we win our first 2 and don't need a result in the 3rd game is likely the only time we'll need Beckerman.

Going forward with Bradley's age and William's age. I think this spells the end for Williams. (Bradley is 28, Williams 27) Williams will likely be a spot player. I think Kitchen is being groomed to be the future #6. Why he was invited here. Bradley will be the #6 through 2018. The next cycle Kitchen will be given every chance to take over the role.
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Rey Regicide
Post #21
Thursday June 2, 2016 1:47pm

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ooooo gunner good call, Williams is not 25, I thought he was younger..

goods
Post #22
Thursday June 2, 2016 2:54pm

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I think if game 3 is meaningless, Kitchen starts with Bradley playing box to box. That will be the game of experiments. Beckerman will be the sub for Bradley to hold down a lead in the first two games. But cannot help to see a meaningless game 3 being the showcase of a future USMNT lineup.

dunlopp9987
Post #23
Thursday June 2, 2016 3:24pm

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from goods

I think if game 3 is meaningless, Kitchen starts with Bradley playing box to box. That will be the game of experiments. Beckerman will be the sub for Bradley to hold down a lead in the first two games. But cannot help to see a meaningless game 3 being the showcase of a future USMNT lineup.


I think it'll actually be the opposite. IF game 3 is meaningless, I think he starts guys like Beckerman and Wondo to give them a final hurrah in their last meaningful game.
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Know Nothing
Post #24
Thursday June 2, 2016 3:25pm

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I don't think Bradley as the #6 is set in stone until 2018...I think his stay at #6 is more dependent on the form JJ and the further development of Nagbe and Hyndman than anything else.

I agree that for Williams the road ahead is tough, but at 28 he isn't done either...just remember how old Beckerman was when he started getting chances. The #6 needs an older more experienced player. That being said, he will have to hold off Kitchen, and maybe Stanko or Alashe.

goods
Post #25
Thursday June 2, 2016 3:41pm

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If it was a world cup game I would agree. If they are meaningless because the USMNT was blown out in games 1 and 2, and JK was told this is your last game then you will see a thank you game with all the old men playing. However, with qualifying in the fall, and still a small possibility of not moving on, it is a good opportunity to put a future line up out there against a quality opponent. In the hex Orozco, Beckermann, Wondo, jones, Dempsey and Howard will all either have further diminished roles or no longer playing for the National team, game 3 will be a good opportunity to throw a younger team out there to give them meaningful minutes together.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #26
Thursday June 2, 2016 5:19pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

I don't think Bradley as the #6 is set in stone until 2018...I think his stay at #6 is more dependent on the form JJ and the further development of Nagbe and Hyndman than anything else.

I agree that for Williams the road ahead is tough, but at 28 he isn't done either...just remember how old Beckerman was when he started getting chances. The #6 needs an older more experienced player. That being said, he will have to hold off Kitchen, and maybe Stanko or Alashe.


So with Beckerman (2018) not being a real option (barely an option now) who else is the choices at #6?

We have many options for the #8 role (really have 2 #8's) with Bedoya, Jones, Nagbe, Hyndman, Zusi, Morales, Diskerud, and Nguyen. All of those guys are more naturally #8's than 10 or 6.

Bradley has played perhaps his 2 best games for the USMNT since before the World Cup. He did that at the #6. It's becoming more and more clear that Bedoya is best as a #8, and we have always known Jermaine is a #8. Hyndman skills, Morales, Diskerud, Nguyen, and Nagbe are all best served as an 8.

So our best midfielders are 6's and 8's. Which likely means we are going to stay in a 4-3-3 (that transforms to a 4-5-1 when we need more defense) that JK prefers, because it helps us get our best midfielders on the field in the positions they are most comfortable in.

I think it is clear that what we are looking at for 2018 at the moment is:
Morris/Zardes, Wood/Altidore, Wood/Pulisic (lots of options up top)
Nagbe/Jones, Bedoya/Nagbe
Bradley
FabJo, Brooks, Cameron, Yedlin
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Rey Regicide
Post #27
Thursday June 2, 2016 6:27pm

Joined Sep 2013
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i think the discussion, and maybe i'm presumptuous in assuming USAgunner feels the same way, is we feel that Bradley is no longer box to box, and it's his CDM role until he breaks down.

So that's bye bye beckerman and then it would be williams hoping he's the new beckerman, ie latching on after BRadley goes away, at age 33. That's ambitious.

Know Nothing
Post #28
Thursday June 2, 2016 7:08pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from USAGunner

So with Beckerman (2018) not being a real option (barely an option now) who else is the choices at #6?



Tried options:

Cameron
Williams
Kitchen

Untried options:

Stanko
Alashe
Jonathan Spector

Yes, I would advocate giving Spector a shot...he is only 30, has international experience, plays in a tough league and has played across the back four.

chillguy1992
Post #29
Thursday June 2, 2016 7:46pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
Alfredo Morales should get a look. He plays in the bundesliga reguarly at least until injuries in the second half of this year. While he plays as an 8 for club he could very easily switch to a 6 for country as he has a very high work rate and he is a good tackler. After the copa when Beckerman should be phased out Morales should be given a chance. I do think Williams and Kitchen will be more likely to get opportunties. i am just suprised since when I watched Morales in the Bundesliga he did play well. Williams has had some really bad perfrormances so I am just suprised Morales and Kitchen havent been tried more often.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #30
Thursday June 2, 2016 8:06pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Why do we need to try anyone else besides Bradley at the 6?
Everytime the guy has played as a deep lying playmaking 6 he has been at LEAST good at the international level, at times very good. He's playing there (very well) for Club. He's our captain.
Why do we need something else?
I think Bradley's days as a 8 are done internationally. We have better options at the 8 than we do at the 6 (when you take Bradley out of both equations) and Bradley is a better 6 than 8 at this point.
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