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2tone
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Post #76
Sunday October 23, 2016 5:11pm

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The significance of Miazga starting for Vitesse means Geoff Cameron can finally be used in his best position at DM. He is starting for Stoke there and it has always been his best position.

bjelks
Post #77
Sunday October 23, 2016 8:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
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If we play Geoff Cameron at DM, why does Michael Bradley have to be on the field?
Another question, how would Geoff Cameron at DM make us a better team?
We have DMs for days and JK keeps throwing Beckerman's raggedy ass out there lol.
D. Williams, Morales, Stanko all are as good or better at DM than Bradley and Cameron.

Here's an idea, how bout we focus on upgrading Klejstein and Bedoya so we're not chasing and bunkering for "90?
goalsense
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #78
Sunday October 23, 2016 8:23pm

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Original post from bjelks

If we play Geoff Cameron at DM, why does Michael Bradley have to be on the field?
Another question, how would Geoff Cameron at DM make us a better team?
We have DMs for days and JK keeps throwing Beckerman's raggedy ass out there lol.
D. Williams, Morales, Stanko all are as good or better at DM than Bradley and Cameron.

Here's an idea, how bout we focus on upgrading Klejstein and Bedoya so we're not chasing and bunkering for "90?


Huh? Williams plays more of a number 8 for reading. Morales rarely starts for ingolstadt, and Stanko is still a young player developing. Cameron is the best DM we have.

I'm not a huge fan of Kljestan, but he is an upgrade over Bradley as an attacking #8. There is currently no other player who has Kljestans skill set who is actually playing first team soccer. Some would say Nagbe, but he hasn't really shown to be better tha Kljestan.

Dave
Post #79
Sunday October 23, 2016 8:44pm

Joined Jul 2014
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@bjelks - first we don't have "DMs for days". Bradley, Jones, Williams, and even Stanko are all box-to-box type CMs. Yes they can play the DM role, but it's not really their strongest positions. Our only true DMs are Beckerman & Kitchen at this point, and Cameron or Bradley are better than either of them.
If we had a strong enough candidate (Gonzalez, Birnbaum, Miazga, CCV) at RCB to enable us to move Cameron into the DM/CDM role it would help transition us into either a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 formation where we could move away from players like Kljestan and Bedoya.

In a 4-2-3-1 formation with Cameron & Bradley as the 2 deep CMs we'd have enough physical & defensive presence that we could play more creative/attacking people in the front 4. We could have Pulisic/Green on the left and Zardes/Gooch on the right. Centrally you could play Kljestan, Nagbe, Gooch, or Pulisic as they won't have as much defensive responsibility. Loan striker could be any number of options....Jozy, Wood, Morris, ArJo, or Boyd. Now we can play this same formation w/ Bradley & Williams/Morales/etc...but then we run into the same problem/issue we initially had with Jones & Bradley....who goes forward and who stays behind.

In a 4-3-3 formation Cameron becomes the CDM and you can play Williams/Nagbe on the left & Bradley on the right. Again this provides the necessary defensive ability to play more attacking players up top. Pulisic/Green on the left....Wood/Jozy centrally....and Zardes/Gooch on the right. Wide forwards would drop back defensively, but they wouldn't have as much defensive responsibility as they would in a 4-4-2 formation since Bradley, Nagbe, or Williams be there to slow down the opposition.

tylercocinas
Post #80
Sunday October 23, 2016 8:44pm

Joined Aug 2012
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It's an interesting idea, 2tone. Kljestan for as much as I have hated on him over the years, has been solid and I think he is the definite starter against Mexico at this point. Cameron is playing consistently, and performing well. If we do go with the 4-4-2, we are going to need to put out the strongest midfield possible (i.e. Sasha/Cameron) since Mexico will likely have 5 in the midfield at times, if the wingers drop back a bit in their 4-3-3.

Rey Regicide
Post #81
Monday October 24, 2016 12:22pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,768
Original post from 2tone

The significance of Miazga starting for Vitesse means Geoff Cameron can finally be used in his best position at DM. He is starting for Stoke there and it has always been his best position.


I think Klinsmann has shown that he don't GAF about anything.

You really can't predict if he thinks Miazga is ready after 2 or 4 games to start against Mexico. I'll say this, Miazga, my friends and I love him because, like Lichaj, I think he likes hitting people. Likes physicality.

With absolutely NO RACIAL, ETHNIC, NATIONAL sentiment behind this.. we need to hit them all over the field. If anything I think Bradley has gotten to soft in man marking, and Cameron likes to hit people too.

TheTruth
Post #82
Monday October 24, 2016 4:16pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
That's what I like to hear. The main thing stopping Mexico from being one of those top 8 teams that for decades you assume will win the World Cup is that the poor bastards are so small. No doubt the area where we have the biggest advantage - our size.

Rey Regicide
Post #83
Monday October 24, 2016 5:37pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,768
Original post from TheTruth

That's what I like to hear. The main thing stopping Mexico from being one of those top 8 teams that for decades you assume will win the World Cup is that the poor bastards are so small. No doubt the area where we have the biggest advantage - our size.


MMMM, well lol I'm glad we're on the same page? maybe?

But no, noone was smaller than Spain, the issue is Spain was able to mask that by using either steroids, or their brains. And by their brains, I mean implementing this weird Onomatopoeiatic taka system, where they kept time by bouncing ball 1 touch off each other in rapid succession and in close space, see what happens is as a defender you have to now play lanes instead of dudes, and when that happens, you lose your mark, and "ideally", if you're being smart about it, you make runs behind their defensive line, which has progressively encroaching your scrimmage in the middle of the park. True story, I honestly loved their ethos. They knew what they were, and what they were not, and they hid the latter, while super expressing the former.

Mexico has fast rapid attack, but not retention, in a sense they're hybridish, always has been, Hector Herrera is not smaller than Michael BRadley, and he is NOT weaker, if anything they're kinda alike.

Put it this way, Chile DESTROYED Mexico, and their guys are smaller than Mexico's guys. To. a. man. Chile did it because they know that Mexico are possession fonies, and they can't handle the midfield better than they can. And w/o the midfield, and with a decent back line, again those guys Medel, Jarra... they're tiny, but they eat up space QUICK

Know Nothing
Post #84
Wednesday December 14, 2016 10:08pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,083
Played the full 90 in the Vitesse 4-0 cup win and scored a goal. Hopefully he can get a few more league games.

Know Nothing
Post #85
Thursday December 15, 2016 9:18pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,083
Original post from Know Nothing

Played the full 90 in the Vitesse 4-0 cup win and scored a goal. Hopefully he can get a few more league games.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7eeqdRUOXY

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #86
Friday December 16, 2016 9:11pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 1,872
Such a soft goal. But still, better than not playing and not scoring.

Know Nothing
Post #87
Sunday April 30, 2017 6:54pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,083
Miazga has gotten over his ankle injury and has played the full 90 in the Dutch Cup final...and he gets a winners medal.

Which means if he gets loaned back to Vitesse he will have Europa League games next season (I know Chelsea are in the CL next year but realistically he probably won't feature for them).

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #88
Monday May 1, 2017 8:54am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 1,872
NICE. Thanks for the update.

MSantoine
Post #89
Monday May 1, 2017 11:35am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,706
Miazga actually has a hard decision. Play in gold cup and miss preseason, eliminating any small chance of sticking with Chelsea but possibly moving into the 2/3 CB slot, skip the gold cup and either make Chelsea or get loaned out early enough to be integrated from the jump (I wouldnt be surprised to see him loaned to a relegation caliber team like Bournemouth, Newcastle, Burnley, Watford) but possibly piss of Arena and not get any looks until injuries/next cycle.

Huge decision for him.

Rey Regicide
Post #90
Monday May 1, 2017 12:32pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,768
Original post from MSantoine

Miazga actually has a hard decision. Play in gold cup and miss preseason, eliminating any small chance of sticking with Chelsea but possibly moving into the 2/3 CB slot, skip the gold cup and either make Chelsea or get loaned out early enough to be integrated from the jump (I wouldnt be surprised to see him loaned to a relegation caliber team like Bournemouth, Newcastle, Burnley, Watford) but possibly piss of Arena and not get any looks until injuries/next cycle.

Huge decision for him.


Since "Test yourself Klinsmann" is gone and "Let's be practical about this Arena" is in.

I would say just do the Gold Cup, get stature, and go to another team on loan, request it. Then try to work your way into solidifying a transfer at another team. Chelsea is a team of aspirations in every transfer window and if Miazga's ceiling reaches anything near Brooks, Chelsea will eventually buy him back after releasing him. They bought him as either a political/commercial signing or as someone who they thought was gifted enough to break through at a young age. Don't know about the former, but def the latter didn't work out that way.

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