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Jzaval01
Post #1
Wednesday February 3, 2016 4:04pm

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This is starting to become to a problem. Even though its evergrande and maybe few other clubs these teams are paying a ridiculous amount for players like jackson martinez and now seems like yaya toure is going. Seems like more than ever we need to start to produce high level talent in MLS becauae it would stupid to compete with that kind of money if we even could..

MSantoine
Post #2
Wednesday February 3, 2016 4:09pm

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Original post from Jzaval01

This is starting to become to a problem. Even though its evergrande and maybe few other clubs these teams are paying a ridiculous amount for players like jackson martinez and now seems like yaya toure is going. Seems like more than ever we need to start to produce high level talent in MLS becauae it would stupid to compete with that kind of money if we even could..


Im not concerned. They paid record breaking prices for a backup. Martinez barely played for Athletic anymore, and already wasn't a 1st choice for Colombia. Sure it may cause the Chinese League to develop getting some names like this but he's a 10-15 million dollar player. I dont want MLS paying triple costs to bring in name value

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #3
Wednesday February 3, 2016 4:44pm

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yeah won't be an issue for the MLS. It will only attract those who want to make a quick buck. They won't care about the league at all.

MLS is actually attracting European guys who are in their prime and playing in top leagues (and well), and paying market value for them.

China is getting a few older guys past their prime and grossly over paying for them.
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dunlopp9987
Post #4
Wednesday February 3, 2016 5:11pm

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from USAGunner

yeah won't be an issue for the MLS. It will only attract those who want to make a quick buck. They won't care about the league at all.

MLS is actually attracting European guys who are in their prime and playing in top leagues (and well), and paying market value for them.

China is getting a few older guys past their prime and grossly over paying for them.


They're over-paying for them, sure, but you have it backwards. Chinese Super League has signed guys IN their primes. Martinez, Paulinho, Ramires, Augusto, Gervinho. MLS is still buying guys like Ashley Cole.

Giovinco is the only one in MLS who was ACTUALLY in his prime, and a damn good player, when he left Europe to come play here.
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MSantoine
Post #5
Wednesday February 3, 2016 6:17pm

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Original post from dunlopp9987

They're over-paying for them, sure, but you have it backwards. Chinese Super League has signed guys IN their primes. Martinez, Paulinho, Ramires, Augusto, Gervinho. MLS is still buying guys like Ashley Cole.

Giovinco is the only one in MLS who was ACTUALLY in his prime, and a damn good player, when he left Europe to come play here.


Thats just not true. MLS is doing a good job of bringing in Euro guys in/entering their prime.

This transfer season Revs brought in Sambinha (23 year old African who was playing for Sporting in Portugal) and Kouassi, a 26yr old Ivorian Coast guy who's been playing for Sion.
Vancouver brought in Aird, a 21yr old Canadian who came up through Scotland youth national teams and Rangers and switched to Canada national team recently.
Dallas made a huge move in bringing in Carlos Arboleda. He's a 20yr old Ecuadorian who already has 10 senior team caps and was playing for Stugartt.
Galaxy may have brought in some older guys but they also brought in a young Ghanian Boateng and all the Baoteng's seem to turn out pretty well.
There's been several young Argentinians who have come over as well.

I think you can tell how smart MLS executive's have become as this is arguably the deepest group of free agent's they brought in. Sure there's no flashy name to get ESPN headlines but the product on the field will be much better

dunlopp9987
Post #6
Wednesday February 3, 2016 6:24pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Thats just not true. MLS is doing a good job of bringing in Euro guys in/entering their prime.

This transfer season Revs brought in Sambinha (23 year old African who was playing for Sporting in Portugal) and Kouassi, a 26yr old Ivorian Coast guy who's been playing for Sion.
Vancouver brought in Aird, a 21yr old Canadian who came up through Scotland youth national teams and Rangers and switched to Canada national team recently.
Dallas made a huge move in bringing in Carlos Arboleda. He's a 20yr old Ecuadorian who already has 10 senior team caps and was playing for Stugartt.
Galaxy may have brought in some older guys but they also brought in a young Ghanian Boateng and all the Baoteng's seem to turn out pretty well.
There's been several young Argentinians who have come over as well.

I think you can tell how smart MLS executive's have become as this is arguably the deepest group of free agent's they brought in. Sure there's no flashy name to get ESPN headlines but the product on the field will be much better


Different level of talent. By a long shot. You can't seriously tell me that those guys can hold a candle to the likes of Jackson Martinez, Ramires, Gervinho, etc...
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admsghs27
Post #7
Wednesday February 3, 2016 6:25pm

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Galaxy got 3 potential good players specially in De jong whom is still 31 pretty much in his prime for under 2 million wow what a bargain. In china they would of paid around 25m for those 3 players Galaxy got. They are doing stupid investments because a lot of those players will leave soon because they won't like china. Just look at Drogba that's a good example.

dunlopp9987
Post #8
Wednesday February 3, 2016 7:04pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Galaxy got 3 potential good players specially in De jong whom is still 31 pretty much in his prime for under 2 million wow what a bargain. In china they would of paid around 25m for those 3 players Galaxy got. They are doing stupid investments because a lot of those players will leave soon because they won't like china. Just look at Drogba that's a good example.


As if you didn't have any credibility before, you now say that Ashley Cole is potentially a good player. A man who said MLS is a retirement league. An ENGLISH man (whom we know you have a hatred towards), who is far past his prime. And you can't even admit that it was a terrible purchase?

You actually might be the most stubborn kid on the planet.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #9
Wednesday February 3, 2016 7:33pm

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Meh. So the Chinese super league is trying to be the old NASL. That league will collapse if there is no emphasis on developing Chinese players. Also these players rarely stay longer than a year into their contract in that league.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #10
Wednesday February 3, 2016 8:08pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Johan Koppelhof (25) - transfer from Eredivisie where he was first choice CB
Shkelzen Gashi (27) - lead Swiss league in scoring last 2 years
Carlos Gruezo (20) - Squad player in Bundesliga last 2 years
Emmanuel Boateng (22) - starter in Allsvansken last year
Emil Larsen (24) - starter in Denmark
Xavier Kouassi (26) - Starter in Swiss league
Sunny Obayan (27) - starter in Turkey

Ally guys that are in their prime (or coming into their prime) that were playing in European leagues (good ones, not the best), some starting, some starring, all playing.

The combined fee for those guys was 8 million.

I never said MLS was getting super stars in their prime. But getting established players in their prime from Italy (Giovinco), Swiss League, Eredivisie, Bundesliga, and Turkey which (not including Bundesliga and Italy) are considered good leagues in Europe and/or the 2nd teir leagues (after EPL, Ligue 1, Serie A, Bundesliga, and La Liga). Getting those caliber players from those leagues and not overpaying for those guys tells me that MLS doesn't have to pay over market value to get guys, and it tells me that the MLS is on par with those leagues.

MLS is rising fast and is better than Most give it credit for. Every time a Euro guy comes over here, that's what they always say, it's a lot more competitive than I thought. It's not a cake walk like it used to be.
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chillguy1992
Post #11
Wednesday February 3, 2016 8:18pm

Joined May 2013
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Does anyone remember a club by the name of Anzhi Machkalala a couple years ago they had signed Samuel Eto and had built a strong core around him. Lacina Traore Yuri Zhirov Chris Samba Roberto Carlos Willian Denisov Balazs Dzsudzsak Lass Diarra all around Eto. Then league results happen they finished thrid and then a massive firesale happens. Same thing will happen with China the teams that dont finish among the top two or three will have to sell. Once their owner realizes that it is a losing investment.

Short term china will have better talent long term its not sustainable you have only so many super wealthy people in china once a certain number lose interest then chinese talent will have to step up and they have nowhere near that. I dont think the chinese league collapses. But it will stay in a permanent flux of drastically overpaying for talent which will bottom out.The result is the league being a permanent middling league of talent which will decrease over time and be more like the Saudi or UAE League then a dutch or Portuguese league.

skangles
DC
Post #12
Wednesday February 3, 2016 11:24pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Not only am I not worried about China or the Middle East outbidding MLS for star players at the end of their careers, I hope we see more of it. Would the quality of play have been worse had Lampard, Gerrard and Pirlo not been signed? Not one little iota.

USAGunner's list above is a great example of the types of players MLS should be and is going after. A few of those guys will probably be busts but they're good risk/reward players.

Some older stars like Keane, Kaka and David Villa have done really well and are a positive for the league but if MLS loses out on a few of these players to China and the Middle East going forward, it's really not a problem.

admsghs27
Post #13
Wednesday February 3, 2016 11:37pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from dunlopp9987

As if you didn't have any credibility before, you now say that Ashley Cole is potentially a good player. A man who said MLS is a retirement league. An ENGLISH man (whom we know you have a hatred towards), who is far past his prime. And you can't even admit that it was a terrible purchase?

You actually might be the most stubborn kid on the planet.

I said Potential! That means he isn't good enough and i specifically mentioned De Jong as our best Signing. I think Cole will be on the bench half way trough the season he won't make it. The other Belgium guy i don't know much about only that he is younger and has some pretty good experience. You gotta Read better before you make a statement idiot.. I never said i liked Cole or want him on the team. Gerrard underachieved last year he didn't live up to his expectations i thought it was dumb to sell Juninho he is better than gerrard.
As for the Chinese league i don't worry at all about their league will never surpass MLS no matter how many players they sign and pay.

admsghs27
Post #14
Wednesday February 3, 2016 11:46pm

Joined Nov 2012
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MLS also has produced some pretty good quality players that have gone abroad like Yedlin, Gil, Gonzo, Miazga, Cameron, Dempsey, Villafana, Montero, Altidore, Bradley, etc... I don't really hear much about Chinese players getting interest from abroad. And most of those star players china gets will be gone in a few years they won't like it there.

andylui8
Post #15
Friday February 5, 2016 1:27am

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 467
Liverpool's target Alex Teixeira will sign for Chinese club Jiangsu Suning in a deal worth £38m, Shakhtar Donetsk have confirmed.

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