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Post #46
Thursday January 28, 2016 3:04am

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Original post from snipes87

So if Brooks moves to Schalke and CCV is getting some first team minutes next year at Spurs (likely), then we will have 3 CBs at Schalke, Chelsea, Spurs all under the age of 23.

O_o




Dave
Post #47
Thursday January 28, 2016 3:25am

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Original post from snipes87

So if Brooks moves to Schalke and CCV is getting some first team minutes next year at Spurs (likely), then we will have 3 CBs at Schalke, Chelsea, Spurs all under the age of 23.

O_o


What makes you think CCV is "likely" to be in Spurs plans next year? While he's been doing will w/ the U-21s I find it a bit of a stretch for him to get the debut next season let alone any significant amount of time. He'll only be 19-20.....thats really young for a CB on a top 6 team in the BPL.

skangles
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Post #48
Thursday January 28, 2016 3:27am

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I hope that Brooks avoids Schalke and the arbeitslosen!

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #49
Thursday January 28, 2016 3:53am

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Original post from Jzaval01

what! Never. Training is not better than playing an actual competitive match.


Him training vs Hazard/Oscar/Costa is better than playing games against Lee Nguyen or Bradley Wright Phillips or Charlie Davies.. yes..
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snipes87
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Post #50
Thursday January 28, 2016 4:01am

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Original post from Dave

What makes you think CCV is "likely" to be in Spurs plans next year? While he's been doing will w/ the U-21s I find it a bit of a stretch for him to get the debut next season let alone any significant amount of time. He'll only be 19-20.....thats really young for a CB on a top 6 team in the BPL.


That might have been a little aggressive. Don't rain on my parade. He will get cup matches next season though.
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USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #51
Thursday January 28, 2016 2:04pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Sucked at, yes, but I believe they have turned the corner and in the next few years will have quite a few home grown players getting significant time.

If this move happens, it will be because he was the next option after John Stones...so they must think highly of him and not just from a financial standpoint. Next year he will be in competition with Andreas Christensen (on loan to Gladbach, Danish Intl) and Tomas Kalas (on loan to Middlesborough, Czech Intl) for a spot on the bench. Both have played competitive matches for the Blues, though I think Kalas will be sold if Boro get promoted. Both Christensen and Kalas have played RB.

He will develop in training...if nothing else he will get a crash course in playing against strikers like Diego Costa, who from what I've read trains like he plays.


Maybe Chelsea turned the corner, maybe Man City did...Speculation. I won't believe it until I see it.
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Know Nothing
Post #52
Friday January 29, 2016 2:01am

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Original post from USAGunner

Maybe Chelsea turned the corner, maybe Man City did...Speculation. I won't believe it until I see it.


Fair enough, but it does say something when there are rumors of Arsenal being interested in a Chelsea youth product (Ola Aina).

hamsamwich
Post #53
Friday January 29, 2016 4:17am

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Miazga is a pro not really a youth product anymore. He will at least get loaned out next year to a real team if he can't cut it at Chelsea.

Know Nothing
Post #54
Friday January 29, 2016 5:24am

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Original post from hamsamwich

Miazga is a pro not really a youth product anymore. He will at least get loaned out next year to a real team if he can't cut it at Chelsea.


What exactly do you mean when you say "to a real team"? I hope you mean another team.

Rey Regicide
Post #55
Friday January 29, 2016 11:40am

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noone is developing at Chelsea

They saw him start in the MLS.

They paid a decent fee, not great, but not training developmental fee.

They're going to put him in first team practices and see if he can hang, if he can he plays some minutes before June 2016 when everyone comes back and Chelsea reassess what they're going to do with all their players who were out on loan.

Any development Miazga will do will be purely done on his own in training. Noone is going to help him with technique. Tactic yes, they will show him what's expected of him in his position then it's left for him to figure it out. Scary yes, but it's awesome at the same time, they think he's ready to slot into one of these pieces. That's freaking awesome.

This is Jozy Altidore at 18 to Villarreal.

This is Michael Bradley at 17 to Hereveen.

Miazga is probably a better pro than they were coming out of the MLS. Sure he's older, but that means he's more mature, physically and mentally. We gotta have faith that MLS developed our guys, and is doing a better job of it. The Morris and Miazga, and to an extent Gil situations are absolutely wonderful for our league.

hamsamwich
Post #56
Friday January 29, 2016 12:58pm

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@know nothing- I meant he's not a u21 or youth player anymore.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #57
Friday January 29, 2016 2:09pm

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Original post from Rey Regicide

noone is developing at Chelsea

They saw him start in the MLS.

They paid a decent fee, not great, but not training developmental fee.

They're going to put him in first team practices and see if he can hang, if he can he plays some minutes before June 2016 when everyone comes back and Chelsea reassess what they're going to do with all their players who were out on loan.

Any development Miazga will do will be purely done on his own in training. Noone is going to help him with technique. Tactic yes, they will show him what's expected of him in his position then it's left for him to figure it out. Scary yes, but it's awesome at the same time, they think he's ready to slot into one of these pieces. That's freaking awesome.

This is Jozy Altidore at 18 to Villarreal.

This is Michael Bradley at 17 to Hereveen.

Miazga is probably a better pro than they were coming out of the MLS. Sure he's older, but that means he's more mature, physically and mentally. We gotta have faith that MLS developed our guys, and is doing a better job of it. The Morris and Miazga, and to an extent Gil situations are absolutely wonderful for our league.


That's the problem and exactly what I am talking about. Chelsea doesn't develop players that they sign. If you think development is restricted to those on youth squads, you are sadly mistaken.

Example: Arsenal with Kolscielny, Monreal, Giroud, and Paulina as first team guys, expected to come in and play. Some of them did, and some of them did sparingly (or still are). But all 4 of them they have continued developing into great players. Much better than when they came in. Arsenal dedicates themselves to making players better no matter first team, reserves, or youth academies. It doesn't matter. It's always about improving and getting better.

Chelsea doesn't have that. Their youth academies may even start developing better players and doing that. But their first team guys (and guys they sign for the first team), are expected to be as good as they can be, if they aren't good enough, then they are sold off or loaned and done away with, discarded. Because they have money to just go sign someone else the next year. So development for their first team guys isn't an issue for them. They don't care about it.

It's a model that will get you some championships here and there when you find the right group of players and have a high hit rate. But it's also a model that will find you in debt and being inconsistent. Hence why Chelsea now is bottom of the table, and their owner/president is talking about balancing the books. It's not a sustainable model.

That's why you see Manchester United and Arsenal always in the top 4 every year without fail. Until Sir Alex retired for ManU and they went away from that model and tried to be like Real Madrid and just sign big name guys. Then they started dropping and being less consistent. Why I hope as an Arsenal fan they sign a big name coach this year again. It might get them a year or 2 of good football, but eventually it to will fail (for a myriad of reasons) and they will have a bad year or 2. Best thing for them will be to hire Giggs and be patient with him, get back to the old model of ManU. Build from within, develop players. That's how they will be successful, be set long term. But they won't. They are letting the market dictate what they do, instead of being the front runners that they used to be and dictating the market.

Anyways back to Chelsea. They don't further and continue to develop First team players, that is the issue. There a lot of places that do that he could have gone to. I would prefer all of our players be at teams that take time to develop players (no matter their station). MLS, EPL, Bundesliga, La Liga, Liga MX, etc. All of teams that do and do not develop players.

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I'd choose Arsenal/ManU over Chelsea/ManCity
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Know Nothing
Post #58
Friday January 29, 2016 3:21pm

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But he can't help not developing right now going into a new environment. The point you are making is he won't reach his full potential..there is no guarantee he would do that anyway.

John Terry is many things...good and bad, but he is a leader and he will do what is best for the team...including helping younger players. Miazga will learn a lot in the next 6 months and will probably get a few minutes here and there.

Even if he does not work out in SW6, he is still young enough to succeed elsewhere.

andylui8
Post #59
Friday January 29, 2016 4:36pm

Joined Jan 2014
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http://m.goal.com/s/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-...

Know Nothing
Post #60
Friday January 29, 2016 5:40pm

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From Guus Hiddink's press conference

"On Miazga, the 20-year central defender who has been at New York Red Bulls and who made his debut for the USA in November, Hiddink confirmed:

‘He will be one of the squad members for the rest of the season, a young guy stepping up to the national team, and if you have young players you can see what they are capable of in training.' "

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