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USAGunner
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Post #31
Wednesday January 27, 2016 10:17pm

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Original post from skangles

For $5m I think it's a smart move by Chelsea. Low risk, high reward. I hope it pans out and if it doesn't I hope he can lands on his feet a la Timmy post Man U.


Difference between Man U and Chelsea is Man U took time to develop Timmy. He was a much better player after leaving Man U than when he went to Man U.
Chelsea doesn't do that. He either is going to be good enough to play for Chelsea or he isn't. There will be no develop him for 2-3 years and then see if he is good enough to play for Chelsea.

So for Miazga this move is either he is world class or good enough to start for Chelsea (I'm praying for), or he isn't, he gets loaned out and maybe marginally gets better (depending on where he is loaned too, and realistically it would be by how much he would get better anyways). If he isn't good enough for Chelsea he will be loaned out and in 2-3 years sold, and he will have only progressed as much as he would have in the MLS anyways.

Mark this up to guys not knowing England. Either that or Miazga is supremely confident in his skills and he thinks or knows he'll make his way into the Chelsea line-up. Which is what I am hoping for, because we haven't had many guys that confident come through the USMNT and be that confident for a reason. Maybe Dempsey as a defender!
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Jzaval01
Post #32
Wednesday January 27, 2016 10:28pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

What kind of inferiority complex is this? We get a player to sign for fucking Chelsea- and people still complain.


you can never please everyone.
Jordan stays in MLS to develop more people complain.
Miazga signs for Chelsea people still complain.

The kid is confident and if he thinks he can break into chelsea team and fight for minutes then more power to him. I hope this doesnt go over his head as previous situations aka Adu or Altidore when they made their big move just to fall flat because of their cockiness. Just has to focus and remember this is just the beginning he still hasnt made it. And if he doesnt break into chelsea its not the end of the world. He will be playing in a top 4 league thats for sure if he keeps working hard and that all good.

Jzaval01
Post #33
Wednesday January 27, 2016 10:31pm

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I just love the timing of this move. He is in USMNT camp and this news comes up. It shows all the u23 and full national team players that were in camp that getting interest from a world class teams is not impossible. Miazga good example for everyone in that camp. Just pushes all the youngsters, makes then wonder, "if hes good enough to play for chelsea why can I play for a top team"

Know Nothing
Post #34
Wednesday January 27, 2016 10:45pm

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Original post from USAGunner

Mine isn't an inferiority complex. My complaining has to do with hating Chelsea and Chelsea sucking in terms of developing young talent. They don't do it. I'd be ecstatic if a player in their prime signed with Chelsea. But a player like Miazga who can still get a LOT better and develop further, I hate it.

Of course it could be just a new direction for Chelsea.
so far their transfers in this year are 7 youngsters (23 and under) and 2 older guys (28 and older), not including the 2 GK's. That doesn't include Miazga.


It's not a question of not doing it, it is a question of doing it to a certain standard. The standard is very high and they are finally producing players who can achieve the standard.

In all likelihood he will be loaned to Vitesse next year if he is not good enough...still quality team that may reach Europe.

It's easy at Arse...finishing in the top 4 is good enough. Players get thrown in because the Arsenal type player breaks down easily and gets injured. Perhaps they are thrown in too early? Yes, this is my hatred of Arsenal!

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #35
Wednesday January 27, 2016 11:00pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

It's not a question of not doing it, it is a question of doing it to a certain standard. The standard is very high and they are finally producing players who can achieve the standard.

In all likelihood he will be loaned to Vitesse next year if he is not good enough...still quality team that may reach Europe.

It's easy at Arse...finishing in the top 4 is good enough. Players get thrown in because the Arsenal type player breaks down easily and gets injured. Perhaps they are thrown in too early? Yes, this is my hatred of Arsenal!


It was easier at Arsenal 3-4 years ago when we weren't in a financial position to buy and we had to sell when others came knocking. Thus younger players almost had to play and further developed.

But development of a player goes a lot further than just playing time. You can develop a player in practice. That is where most development and technical skills comes from. That is one place that Wenger is extremely good at. Is developing ALL players (young and old) during practices and training sessions. That is something Chelsea sucks at.

He can get playing time at Chelsea and still not develop that much.

There is a reason that players that Arsenal have developed are loaned out all over and playing well, and/or sold there. They develop players regardless of if they have a future at Arsenal or not.
Some of that with Arsenal is being very selective once they do loan players out. They don't just loan to anyone if it's a player. They are very particular about where they loan players. That's another reason their players continue to develop even when they are loaned out at a high rate.

Playing time for young players is coming less and less available for Arsenal players. Joel Campbell is about the only new guy and he isn't too young (and has lots of experience in Europe). Iwobi is really the only guy they have this year that has played at all that is young and inexperienced.
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admsghs27
Post #36
Wednesday January 27, 2016 11:31pm

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Wel Cahill want's out even more now with the news of Miazga coming in.

http://www.espnfc.us/blog/transfer-talk/79/po...

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #37
Wednesday January 27, 2016 11:38pm

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Chelsea only have 3 CBs on the roster. Miazga makes 4 for the rest of this year. 1 injury or suspension and he's dressing in the 18.

Chelsea is a huge club but that doesn't mean they are in the interest of losing money. They didn't bring him in to fill a spot. They paid $5 mil for him and they have no intentions of selling him away for less.

Even if Matt doesn't play 1 minute this season, he will be practicing/training with and against guys prepping themselves for the UCL knockout round. That's a thousand times better than staying in MLS. Can he stay on the bench and no play forever? No. Immediate future is trending up, fast.

Guys... there is a player who plays for the USA on Chelsea!!
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admsghs27
Post #38
Thursday January 28, 2016 12:05am

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Wrong no way is training the same as playing competitive matches no matter who your training against. If he is not playing on Chelsea then is a waste of time i would rather see him go on Loan to a lower Epl side or Championship team if that is the case.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #39
Thursday January 28, 2016 12:27am

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I hope he succeeds. Good luck to him,

Know Nothing
Post #40
Thursday January 28, 2016 12:56am

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Original post from USAGunner

But development of a player goes a lot further than just playing time. You can develop a player in practice. That is where most development and technical skills comes from. That is one place that Wenger is extremely good at. Is developing ALL players (young and old) during practices and training sessions. That is something Chelsea sucks at.



Sucked at, yes, but I believe they have turned the corner and in the next few years will have quite a few home grown players getting significant time.

If this move happens, it will be because he was the next option after John Stones...so they must think highly of him and not just from a financial standpoint. Next year he will be in competition with Andreas Christensen (on loan to Gladbach, Danish Intl) and Tomas Kalas (on loan to Middlesborough, Czech Intl) for a spot on the bench. Both have played competitive matches for the Blues, though I think Kalas will be sold if Boro get promoted. Both Christensen and Kalas have played RB.

He will develop in training...if nothing else he will get a crash course in playing against strikers like Diego Costa, who from what I've read trains like he plays.

Know Nothing
Post #41
Thursday January 28, 2016 1:02am

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...and he can work on getting Kyle Scott into the USA fold

Know Nothing
Post #42
Thursday January 28, 2016 1:37am

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...and if the transfer goes through he will probably stay in London and miss the upcoming friendlies

admsghs27
Post #43
Thursday January 28, 2016 1:43am

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Original post from Know Nothing

...and if the transfer goes through he will probably stay in London and miss the upcoming friendlies


Well that sucks was really looking forward to watch him play. Hopefully he plays vs Canada at least.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #44
Thursday January 28, 2016 2:51am

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So if Brooks moves to Schalke and CCV is getting some first team minutes next year at Spurs (likely), then we will have 3 CBs at Schalke, Chelsea, Spurs all under the age of 23.

O_o
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Jzaval01
Post #45
Thursday January 28, 2016 2:53am

Joined May 2013
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Original post from snipes87

Chelsea only have 3 CBs on the roster. Miazga makes 4 for the rest of this year. 1 injury or suspension and he's dressing in the 18.

Chelsea is a huge club but that doesn't mean they are in the interest of losing money. They didn't bring him in to fill a spot. They paid $5 mil for him and they have no intentions of selling him away for less.

Even if Matt doesn't play 1 minute this season, he will be practicing/training with and against guys prepping themselves for the UCL knockout round. That's a thousand times better than staying in MLS. Can he stay on the bench and no play forever? No. Immediate future is trending up, fast.

Guys... there is a player who plays for the USA on Chelsea!!


what! Never. Training is not better than playing an actual competitive match.

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