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MSantoine
Post #31
Wednesday April 13, 2016 11:43am

Joined Nov 2012
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Great question. I would say that the only groups who truly suffer from hype are club and player.

Club- Agree with reasons stated above. More hype means either more expensive to retain/but player.

Player- If they buy into the hype machine it can lead to a bad career move (ie not going to a club where you'll thrive and holding out hope for a club you arent ready for).

Id say country and fans really arent hurt by hype because for both groups theres always someone else. For National teams its even more the case. For fans though we always find the "Next" guy. In 2009 (2008?) Charlie Davies was the next great American Striker . Onyewu was the next great American defender. After the 2010 World Cup Agudelo was the next cant miss guy (scored in that post-world cup friendly in South Africa as an 18 year old I think). Then he doesnt pan out and we have the Julian Green hype train. He stalls he jump on board the Gedion express. Now we have all moved onto Pulisic. The best part of prospects is they are all can't miss because they arent competing yet so you cant prove they will fail until they tried and failed (I call it backup QB syndrome).

Rey Regicide
Post #32
Wednesday April 13, 2016 12:36pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,637
Ling Bao · Knoxville, Tennessee
Quick, let's overhype him now!
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Mike Knutson · White Bear Lake Area High School
At least he isn't Adu hyped, This kid actually signed for United unlike Freddie.
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Mino Caulton
Mike Knutson true, but Bebe signed for Utd, also... not really a strong indicator
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Mike Knutson · White Bear Lake Area High School
Mino Caulton True, as there are many footballers that didn't make the cut, But did you ever hear anyone from United say they were "really excited" by Bebe?
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Kien Nguyen · Cinematographer/Photographer at Kien Pictures
Mike Knutson SAF until he saw the guy. lol
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Michael Hercock · Associate Faculty at Ashford University
It just goes to show how desperate American fans are

There's that word again....

Rey Regicide
Post #33
Wednesday April 13, 2016 12:38pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,637
Original post from dfw_fan

Lol, I would say media starts it and fans (who are more tuned to American football, basketball, baseball frame of mind which churns out thousands of talented players)...

Media, who like to obsessively repeat the stories without Football analysis of the player qualities.
They always have to include Adu onwards in each of the article.


And yet Adu, played in US MNT games and helped us get to the Gold Cup final in 2011. Without him it's arguable that we don't make it, and get embarrassed again.

Remember the fierst game vs them in the group stages ... and the Wondo sitter...(disclaimer, i was a hater, i love Wondo now.. but damn yo, he's missed some pretty big ones... Yakubu style.. in aesthetic and propensity)

Rey Regicide
Post #34
Wednesday April 13, 2016 12:51pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,637
Original post from MSantoine

Great question. I would say that the only groups who truly suffer from hype are club and player.

Club- Agree with reasons stated above. More hype means either more expensive to retain/but player.

Player- If they buy into the hype machine it can lead to a bad career move (ie not going to a club where you'll thrive and holding out hope for a club you arent ready for).

Id say country and fans really arent hurt by hype because for both groups theres always someone else. For National teams its even more the case. For fans though we always find the "Next" guy. In 2009 (2008?) Charlie Davies was the next great American Striker . Onyewu was the next great American defender. After the 2010 World Cup Agudelo was the next cant miss guy (scored in that post-world cup friendly in South Africa as an 18 year old I think). Then he doesnt pan out and we have the Julian Green hype train. He stalls he jump on board the Gedion express. Now we have all moved onto Pulisic. The best part of prospects is they are all can't miss because they arent competing yet so you cant prove they will fail until they tried and failed (I call it backup QB syndrome).


right and I agree, each of those cases you mentioned country was helped

Davies scored in Azteca and had we gotten our tactics right, we would have walked away with a 1- 0 win.

Agudelo hasn't come through in formal competitions, but he def didn't look out of place with the nationals. He still doesn't.

Onyewu was a bedrock until unfortunately he got hurt. Such a sad ending he should have continued 5 to 8 more years with his athleticism for us at least.

Julian Green scored a goal against Belgium to get us to coming close to what would have been the greatest moment in USA soccer. A comeback from 2- 0 in overtime.. when all hope looked lost.

It didn't hurt to play these guys. They were flawed players and probably shouldn't have made the team to begin with, but we have a lower bar than most countries... the quality they had at the moment made them better than alternatives. Hype, if it's there or not, should not factor 1 iota in my opinion, for a mister.

Dave
Post #35
Wednesday April 13, 2016 1:07pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 638
IMO the group that suffers most due to hype is the player. IF they buy into the hype than they run the risk of making poor decisions (club selections) and believing that you don't have to put in the effort/work in order to be successful (Adu effect). This is why it is important for players to have the right type of people around them providing guidance.

For fans it can go either way. Fans at the Club level usually don't get too wrapped up in hype for long, as players come and go all the time. Fans at the National team level are more susceptible to hype...especially those from smaller nations or nations that are not traditionally powers within the sport. Nations like Germany, Brazil, Argentina always have another blue-chip/super-star in the wings, but nations like the US or small countries like many of the CONCACAF/ASIAN countries that don't produce many top quality prospects it can be hard on the fans when a hyped player fails.

Clubs can suffer a little, but most clubs rely heavily on the information obtained from scouting reports and film of the player(s). That doesn't mean that they don't get burned from time-to-time...but for most clubs it's a numbers game. They shift through hundreds of prospects in order to identify the 30 or so that can/will meet the needs of the team they're building. Hype & Nationality (English in the BPL) can drive up the price of a player, but most of the time it's not to an extreme that is significant enough to negatively impact the club too much.

National teams are fairly insulated from the effects of hype in that they have a larger selection of players to choose from than clubs and have little to no real investment in the players. A player can be called up once, be exposed as not being of sufficient quality, and never be seen again.

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