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bjelks
Post #91
Tuesday July 7, 2020 3:45am

Joined Nov 2012
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Dest's defense is as good if not better than any RB in the pool. He's definitely the most proven against top level attackers
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Samtom23
Post #92
Tuesday July 7, 2020 1:32pm

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 351
Original post from bjelks

Dest's defense is as good if not better than any RB in the pool. He's definitely the most proven against top level attackers


Our problem isn't RB. It seems offense is the weak link. I would rather think about forwards and attacking midfielders,

db707
Post #93
Tuesday July 7, 2020 2:13pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,068
Moore has been playing higher up the pitch in more of a wing midfield role since the resumption. It's always good to have guys in the national team mix who can play multiple positions and can give you max effort in a short shift off the bench, that's where I see Moore potentially fitting in.

bjelks
Post #94
Tuesday July 7, 2020 2:45pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Samtom23

Our problem isn't RB. It seems offense is the weak link. I would rather think about forwards and attacking midfielders,


Lol, our problem is corruption of the whole depth chart and proper player evaluations.

Our problem is the pay to play system

Our problem is uninformed and bias media pundits

Our problem is unqualified coaches and leaders

Our problem is lack of access to minorities and the closed pro system

Until we have 30 Champions League players every position group is the weak link
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hamsamwich
Post #95
Tuesday July 7, 2020 6:16pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,309
@db707- or you know, in case of an injury to Dest and we are back at square one.
@samtom- depth has been and will always be a problem. Can never have enough good players.
@bjelks- tecatito (maybe it was someone else) carved up Dest last time out. He's an attacking specialist and is not our best defending RB.

Add in Olusunde to the mix of attacking right backs who can defend. It's a deep second tier.

bjelks
Post #96
Tuesday July 7, 2020 11:31pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,667
@Dest is just a football specialist. You don't start a bidding war between Bayern M, Barca and PSG as a rb if you can't defend. Everybody gets skinned. Mendy, Laporte, and Fernandinho were all skinned by Pulisic, doesn't make them any less defenders.

Also when Tecatito skinned Dest, he was on the left side.

The only time Reggie played against top competition against Italy, he looked over his head but natl team fans anoint him

One problem with the way Americans look at the game is that if you have good technique and attacking quality you're not supposed to be a defender. We have to graduate from this thinking
goalsense
Samtom23
Post #97
Wednesday July 8, 2020 4:17am

Joined Jun 2018
Total Posts: 351
Original post from bjelks

Lol, our problem is corruption of the whole depth chart and proper player evaluations.

Our problem is the pay to play system

Our problem is uninformed and bias media pundits

Our problem is unqualified coaches and leaders

Our problem is lack of access to minorities and the closed pro system

Until we have 30 Champions League players every position group is the weak link


I can see where pay to play is an issue. All that is needed is a ball/field/players and desire.

Another problem is where soccer ranks on the American conscious of sports. It is still far behind the NFL, NBA and MLB in terms of interest and finances.

You make me thinks some Bjelks-

I don't think the answer to USA's soccer problem is looking to Champions League to build our national team roster. The problem is more long term than that. It is about raising football domestically. I am becoming pro-MLS.

Why do we want to outsource American talent and jobs overseas? I love that Pulisic is on a tear in England right now. But who does it benefit? It benefits Chelsea which is owned by a Russian. And Chelsea employs a lot of English men and women, some in blue collar jobs and others in white collar jobs. Kevin Durant just purchased a 10% stake of the Philadelphia Union. Durant seems like an intelligent guy to me, so I think he is investing wisely.

CP is making close to 8 million a year at 21 years old. While someone like Paxton Pomykal is making 100K at 19. Reggie Cannon is making about 80K. It would be great if MLS could make players like Cannon, Pomykal millions so youths can see that and instead of choosing the big three sports choose soccer instead.

I want to respond to this also.

Our problem is lack of access to minorities and the closed pro system.

I think this is a fallacy in creative thinking. Minorities do not need the majority to play football. What is needed is leadership. Pay to play falls in this capacity, it is exclusionary but not just for minorities but for economically disadvantaged. If USSf fails in this capacity, there is nothing stopping anyone from organizing a league independent of USSF. It justs needs someone with enough moxy and knowledge to create an organization.

Our problem is unqualified coaches and leaders-

Time and experience will solve this. The domestic league is young. Coaches are finally getting the chance to coach. Players when they retire will start coaching professionally. I believe Maurice Edu and Demarcus Beasley have started academies already. The kids they are coaching now, may or may not become star but I would like to think they are getting adequate training. We just saw Jessie Marsch become coach of the year in Austria without MLS, I doubt he would've gotten the chance.

My problem with MLS though it is only benefits a few tycoons. I much rather prefer the Bundesliga/Green Bay Packers structure where the team is publicly owner rather than privately owned. Our teams should be community based rather than individual based. But it is a little too late to complain about that now.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #98
Wednesday July 8, 2020 2:29pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 208
Original post from Samtom23

I can see where pay to play is an issue. All that is needed is a ball/field/players and desire.

Another problem is where soccer ranks on the American conscious of sports. It is still far behind the NFL, NBA and MLB in terms of interest and finances.

You make me thinks some Bjelks-

I don't think the answer to USA's soccer problem is looking to Champions League to build our national team roster. The problem is more long term than that. It is about raising football domestically. I am becoming pro-MLS.

Why do we want to outsource American talent and jobs overseas? I love that Pulisic is on a tear in England right now. But who does it benefit? It benefits Chelsea which is owned by a Russian. And Chelsea employs a lot of English men and women, some in blue collar jobs and others in white collar jobs. Kevin Durant just purchased a 10% stake of the Philadelphia Union. Durant seems like an intelligent guy to me, so I think he is investing wisely.

CP is making close to 8 million a year at 21 years old. While someone like Paxton Pomykal is making 100K at 19. Reggie Cannon is making about 80K. It would be great if MLS could make players like Cannon, Pomykal millions so youths can see that and instead of choosing the big three sports choose soccer instead.

I want to respond to this also.

Our problem is lack of access to minorities and the closed pro system.

I think this is a fallacy in creative thinking. Minorities do not need the majority to play football. What is needed is leadership. Pay to play falls in this capacity, it is exclusionary but not just for minorities but for economically disadvantaged. If USSf fails in this capacity, there is nothing stopping anyone from organizing a league independent of USSF. It justs needs someone with enough moxy and knowledge to create an organization.

Our problem is unqualified coaches and leaders-

Time and experience will solve this. The domestic league is young. Coaches are finally getting the chance to coach. Players when they retire will start coaching professionally. I believe Maurice Edu and Demarcus Beasley have started academies already. The kids they are coaching now, may or may not become star but I would like to think they are getting adequate training. We just saw Jessie Marsch become coach of the year in Austria without MLS, I doubt he would've gotten the chance.

My problem with MLS though it is only benefits a few tycoons. I much rather prefer the Bundesliga/Green Bay Packers structure where the team is publicly owner rather than privately owned. Our teams should be community based rather than individual based. But it is a little too late to complain about that now.


The way to elevate the league is to push guys to better leagues and allow a constant flow of young talent. You will have some lifers but the league is getting younger and moving to this direction. Not saying MLS players should get preferential treatment for Nats but i think both arguments go hand in hand. The u18- u23 teams should be where the mls guys are showcased, not the full nats. If the players are in Europe already for these age groups they only need to be in the world cups or brought in for qualifying tournaments.

bjelks
Post #99
Wednesday July 8, 2020 3:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,667
Original post from Samtom23

I can see where pay to play is an issue. All that is needed is a ball/field/players and desire.

Another problem is where soccer ranks on the American conscious of sports. It is still far behind the NFL, NBA and MLB in terms of interest and finances.

You make me thinks some Bjelks-

I don't think the answer to USA's soccer problem is looking to Champions League to build our national team roster. The problem is more long term than that. It is about raising football domestically. I am becoming pro-MLS.

Why do we want to outsource American talent and jobs overseas? I love that Pulisic is on a tear in England right now. But who does it benefit? It benefits Chelsea which is owned by a Russian. And Chelsea employs a lot of English men and women, some in blue collar jobs and others in white collar jobs. Kevin Durant just purchased a 10% stake of the Philadelphia Union. Durant seems like an intelligent guy to me, so I think he is investing wisely.

CP is making close to 8 million a year at 21 years old. While someone like Paxton Pomykal is making 100K at 19. Reggie Cannon is making about 80K. It would be great if MLS could make players like Cannon, Pomykal millions so youths can see that and instead of choosing the big three sports choose soccer instead.

I want to respond to this also.

Our problem is lack of access to minorities and the closed pro system.

I think this is a fallacy in creative thinking. Minorities do not need the majority to play football. What is needed is leadership. Pay to play falls in this capacity, it is exclusionary but not just for minorities but for economically disadvantaged. If USSf fails in this capacity, there is nothing stopping anyone from organizing a league independent of USSF. It justs needs someone with enough moxy and knowledge to create an organization.

Our problem is unqualified coaches and leaders-

Time and experience will solve this. The domestic league is young. Coaches are finally getting the chance to coach. Players when they retire will start coaching professionally. I believe Maurice Edu and Demarcus Beasley have started academies already. The kids they are coaching now, may or may not become star but I would like to think they are getting adequate training. We just saw Jessie Marsch become coach of the year in Austria without MLS, I doubt he would've gotten the chance.

My problem with MLS though it is only benefits a few tycoons. I much rather prefer the Bundesliga/Green Bay Packers structure where the team is publicly owner rather than privately owned. Our teams should be community based rather than individual based. But it is a little too late to complain about that now.


A 1 table format with pro/ rel would increase my interest in mls.

We need our top division to be more inclusive to incorporate other cultures into the game.
Imagine Jay-Z establishing a club in Brooklyn that works it's way from USL 2 to MLS and he's able to build it the way he wants. That would give MLS some flavor.

Also, to prove the quality of MLS, it needs to compete against Copa Lib teams.
I'm not convinced by MLS teams beating each other
goalsense
hamsamwich
Post #100
Thursday July 9, 2020 8:18pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,309
Big opportunity today for Shaq and Tenerife. A win puts them level on points with the playoff spots.

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