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cudevil
Post #46
Wednesday July 18, 2018 6:38pm

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Original post from db707

Haven't seen it noted here, but Moore's been loaned to Reus Deportiu in the Spanish second division. Hopefully he gets to play and performs well there, we'll see.


Getting playing time is important, but I don't see how this can be viewed as anything other than a step backwards.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #47
Wednesday July 18, 2018 7:21pm

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It might be a step back or might not be. Hopefully it becomes a good experience for him.

But I have Reggie Cannon moving ahead of Moore on the RB depth chart.

db707
Post #48
Wednesday July 18, 2018 8:31pm

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Original post from cudevil

Getting playing time is important, but I don't see how this can be viewed as anything other than a step backwards.


Yeah, I agree, it definitely doesn't immediately help him stay in the national team frame, in my view.

bjelks
Post #49
Wednesday July 18, 2018 9:37pm

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If you have 2 players that are the same age playing regularly, and one plays in mls and the other plays regularly in La Liga 2 with some 1 experience, I don't know how the mls player automatically moved ahead of him.
goalsense
cudevil
Post #50
Thursday July 19, 2018 12:02am

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Original post from bjelks

If you have 2 players that are the same age playing regularly, and one plays in mls and the other plays regularly in La Liga 2 with some 1 experience, I don't know how the mls player automatically moved ahead of him.


I'd probably take my chances with MLS teams vs. most everyone in La Liga 2.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #51
Thursday July 19, 2018 1:07am

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Because Cannon is really good. Maybe you should a game onc in awhile.

bjelks
Post #52
Thursday July 19, 2018 5:55am

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Taking chances on MLS players is the reason we didn't qualify in 2018 lol.
If Cannon was really good, he wouldn't be in MLS.
I can't watch MLS for 5 minutes without dosing off. You have poorly coached college players with bad technique, Central American rejects with low football iq, and washed Euro players. I could see this level at my local park and it's not a good barometer to assess potential World Class players.
goalsense
db707
Post #53
Thursday July 19, 2018 1:31pm

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If Moore (who this thread is about) was really good, he wouldn't be in the Spanish Second Division at 22 (in November).

Lilshmike
Post #54
Thursday July 19, 2018 2:13pm

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Original post from db707

If Moore (who this thread is about) was really good, he wouldn't be in the Spanish Second Division at 22 (in November).
This... 100%

Lilshmike
Post #55
Thursday July 19, 2018 2:20pm

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Original post from bjelks

Taking chances on MLS players is the reason we didn't qualify in 2018 lol.
If Cannon was really good, he wouldn't be in MLS.
I can't watch MLS for 5 minutes without dosing off. You have poorly coached college players with bad technique, Central American rejects with low football iq, and washed Euro players. I could see this level at my local park and it's not a good barometer to assess potential World Class players.
Yet again, how much do you actually watch the sport and product of these leagues???

Truth be told, the bottom teams in La Liga are garbage and Segunda Division is no better. MLS is absolutely better than Segunda Division. It really isn't an argument. The only 2nd divisions that are on par with MLS are Germany and England, and that only applies to teams in the top half of their leagues.

I mean seriously dude... this is a joke. The more you whine about how MLS is terrible and everyone in Europe is SoOoOoO MUCH better, regardless of the league and where they play, people will tune you out. Bring something to the table instead of the same broken record.

Chandler and Yedlin are both in front of him for RB at the moment anyways.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #56
Thursday July 19, 2018 3:33pm

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Original post from bjelks

Taking chances on MLS players is the reason we didn't qualify in 2018 lol.
If Cannon was really good, he wouldn't be in MLS.
I can't watch MLS for 5 minutes without dosing off. You have poorly coached college players with bad technique, Central American rejects with low football iq, and washed Euro players. I could see this level at my local park and it's not a good barometer to assess potential World Class players.


Yikes. Someone is clearly out of touch.

bjelks
Post #57
Thursday July 19, 2018 4:07pm

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@db707 I never said that Moore was really good. Someone said that Cannon was and we all know that's not true because he plays in MLS which people outside of America, consider to be a 3rd tier league.

The problem in the US Men's program is that we don't have a lot of really good players, but we have quite a few young high potential players such as Moore that have the hungry to test themselves at the highest level, La Liga, and they shouldn't be penalized because someone their age is playing more in a lesser league.

@lilshmike I have to ask, how much of a MLS homer are you? Who won the Champions League the last 3 yrs in a row? What 2 teams were in Champs League final in 2016? Now how many MLS players transfer to La Liga each yr and step into starting roles each year? How many La Liga 2 players transfer or promote to La Liga and start each year? Why does MLS put a team of its best players together to play the reserves and youth of big European clubs every yr and often look outclassed? Also, La Liga 2 just like Germ, Eng, Italy is mostly comprised of young players on loan from division 1 sides or veteran players that are fighting to get to a top division. Intl players in MLS are there because they are either easing into retirement or looking for easy mins and an easy check.
I could go on, but there's a lot more evidence pointing to a regular La Liga 2 being better than an MLS regular at the same age and position.

@lilshmike Chandler and Yedlin have nothing to do with the assertion that Cannon is better than Moore, which is what started this exchange.
goalsense
Know Nothing
Post #58
Thursday July 19, 2018 4:13pm

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Facepalm

Does it really matter which club a player plays for or the league they are in? At the end of the day it is how a player fits within the team.

Moore has done okay during his limited chances with the USMNT. Having trained with a La Liga team and getting minutes certainly is beneficial. You guys seem to make 22 out to be old. At least by going on loan he presumably will be getting minutes on a regular basis. By the time he reaches his prime he will be a lot more seasoned than someone who has spent the same period of time in MLS. And quite frankly, if he decided to come back to MLS he would get slagged off on here as a failure.

Cannon only has a a small sample to go by and playing on a good team in MLS helps him look good. He may well be better, but let's put that into perspective since MLS is not that great a league. Let's see if he can keep this level of form up for a while and then decide.

IMHO, if Shaq Moore was on the books for Dallas he would start over Cannon and Dallas would be as successful.

db707
Post #59
Thursday July 19, 2018 4:34pm

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22 isn't old (it's far in my rearview for sure), my point there was that if he was better than our current options at right back, he'd be beyond the level he's going to be playing this year by now. He got Segunda Division minutes three years ago. I'm rooting for the guy and he has my respect for at least trying to make it in Spain, but I'm not optimistic.

Lilshmike
Post #60
Thursday July 19, 2018 5:40pm

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Original post from bjelks

@lilshmike I have to ask, how much of a MLS homer are you? Who won the Champions League the last 3 yrs in a row? What 2 teams were in Champs League final in 2016? Now how many MLS players transfer to La Liga each yr and step into starting roles each year? How many La Liga 2 players transfer or promote to La Liga and start each year? Why does MLS put a team of its best players together to play the reserves and youth of big European clubs every yr and often look outclassed? Also, La Liga 2 just like Germ, Eng, Italy is mostly comprised of young players on loan from division 1 sides or veteran players that are fighting to get to a top division. Intl players in MLS are there because they are either easing into retirement or looking for easy mins and an easy check.
I could go on, but there's a lot more evidence pointing to a regular La Liga 2 being better than an MLS regular at the same age and position.
I'm not an MLS homer in the least, I'm just realistic. And in reality, MLS is legitimately much better and these 2nd division European leagues are much worse than you make them out to be. The only advantage the 2nd division leagues have are the possibility of promotion.

I could answer your points individually, but I won't bloat this thread too much more than it already has been.

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