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Post #1
Tuesday January 5, 2016 6:22am

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Joel has left Boca and signed with Stuttgart.

chillguy1992
Post #2
Tuesday January 5, 2016 6:35am

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Great news he is a very good young player. I dont think he is close to the first team but I do think he will start for VFB Stuttgart II in the 3rd division of the bundesliga. If he can play well there hopefully the first team in the next couple years awaits him.

dolcem
Post #3
Tuesday January 5, 2016 9:56am

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Huge news for the youth player I've been most excited about.

I'm disappointed because the Argentine league is, IMO, as good at developing players as any other, particularly attacking players. There's no better place to develop as a #10.

Boca is probably the worst place in Argentine for a young player to develop though because of the extreme amount of pressure and the result is pretty much all that counts there. Boca fans tend to care more about the spirit of the players than the way they play, unlike most other teams in Argentina. The fact that they actually prefer Martin Palermo to Riquelme shows a lot (that basically they think differently from other Argentines). So I guess it might be good that he's not at Boca but I wanted him to go to another Argentine team. Thank god he didn't end up in England, that's all I have to say.
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hamsamwich
Post #4
Tuesday January 5, 2016 4:03pm

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Palermo is a legend, could've been a target forward in Europe but chose to stay. That's why he has that status. We get it you don't go for Boca, or their players.

But the topic, Soņora. The kid just needs to play. We integrated him a little too late (he and GZ) before the u20 WC in my opinion. The play looked a bit forced in midfield, but I saw nothing to not make me encouraged from Soņora. Stuttgart is a fantastic club for him to go to. The talent that was on those fields for the u20 wasn't complete (holes at LB, forward sabotaged the results), but certain of those players (CCV, Miazga, EPB, Hyndman, Acosta, Soņora, GZ) are headed for big careers. Breaking through to the first team at Stuttgart will be tough, but he should be up for it coming from a club like Boca with their deep roster of talent.

Dave
Post #5
Tuesday January 5, 2016 7:59pm

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I'm happy for the kid. Moving to Stuttgart should be very helpful in continuing his development. I was impressed with his play during the U-20 WC and have high hopes that if he continues his development he'll have a good chance to play with his new club. With prospects like Hyndman, Sonora, Zelalem, Stanko, Green & Pulisic the US midfield looks well positioned for the future.

dolcem
Post #6
Wednesday January 6, 2016 12:08am

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Original post from hamsamwich

Palermo is a legend, could've been a target forward in Europe but chose to stay. That's why he has that status. We get it you don't go for Boca, or their players.

But the topic, Soņora. The kid just needs to play. We integrated him a little too late (he and GZ) before the u20 WC in my opinion. The play looked a bit forced in midfield, but I saw nothing to not make me encouraged from Soņora. Stuttgart is a fantastic club for him to go to. The talent that was on those fields for the u20 wasn't complete (holes at LB, forward sabotaged the results), but certain of those players (CCV, Miazga, EPB, Hyndman, Acosta, Soņora, GZ) are headed for big careers. Breaking through to the first team at Stuttgart will be tough, but he should be up for it coming from a club like Boca with their deep roster of talent.


Palermo could have been a legend but he broke his leg while celebrating. Anyway, he is not a genius like Riquelme, who, along with Zidane, was the greatest of his generation. Who would you prefer, a genius #10 or a hard-working target forward? Boca fans prefer the latter, while most other Argentines would prefer the former. I think I know which the USNT needs more.
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hamsamwich
Post #7
Wednesday January 6, 2016 12:27am

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Riquelme but that's a different point. Don't fool yourself, Americans love a hard working target forward. Local legend Brian McBride is one of my all time favorite players.

Back to soņora, he's depth for our team. We just need one to break through and we will have that #10...

dolcem
Post #8
Wednesday January 6, 2016 5:11am

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Original post from hamsamwich

Riquelme but that's a different point. Don't fool yourself, Americans love a hard working target forward. Local legend Brian McBride is one of my all time favorite players.

Back to soņora, he's depth for our team. We just need one to break through and we will have that #10...


I know which type Americans prefer. But we have plenty of those. We've never had one of the other (would have been Adu had he gone to Inter's youth academy instead of becoming the poster boy for the MLS). Sonora and Pulisic both have the potential to be that guy. But in the past decade we haven't had any other possibilities so if neither turns out, we might have to wait a while. Too bad probably neither will be quite ready by 2018.
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Know Nothing
Post #9
Wednesday January 6, 2016 5:31am

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Original post from dolcem

I know which type Americans prefer. But we have plenty of those. We've never had one of the other (would have been Adu had he gone to Inter's youth academy instead of becoming the poster boy for the MLS). Sonora and Pulisic both have the potential to be that guy. But in the past decade we haven't had any other possibilities so if neither turns out, we might have to wait a while. Too bad probably neither will be quite ready by 2018.


If he chooses the US Kyle Scott is also another possibility as a #10. He has been doing well at Chelsea so far and has been a top performer for them in the U-19 CL.

dolcem
Post #10
Wednesday January 6, 2016 7:52am

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Original post from Know Nothing

If he chooses the US Kyle Scott is also another possibility as a #10. He has been doing well at Chelsea so far and has been a top performer for them in the U-19 CL.


Chelsea is where youth prodigies go to die.
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Know Nothing
Post #11
Wednesday January 6, 2016 4:01pm

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Original post from dolcem

Chelsea is where youth prodigies go to die.


Cue facepalm

Do I think Kyle Scott will break through and become a regular first teamer at Chelsea...no. But he is training and thriving with a very talented group of players. He will presumably go out on loan next season...probably to Vitesse. We will see then what he is made of.

As far as the Chelsea academy, it has taken a few years and very soon a few players will break into the first team. In fact I dare say at least three will be in the first team squad next year.

Know Nothing
Post #12
Wednesday January 6, 2016 4:03pm

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Original post from dolcem

Chelsea is where youth prodigies go to die.


Pity they missed out on Freddy Adu

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Post #13
Wednesday January 6, 2016 4:11pm

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I think Zelalem could possibly be a #10 for the first team in a few years.

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Post #14
Wednesday January 6, 2016 4:33pm

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I think Zelalem, Pulisic, Hyndman, Gil, Lletget, are not now, and will not be 10's in the future.

I feel like we generally stay reactive, like jumping on the 4 3 3, if we bang out new ways to play I will def be shocked and awed.

MSantoine
Post #15
Wednesday January 6, 2016 5:28pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Cue facepalm

Do I think Kyle Scott will break through and become a regular first teamer at Chelsea...no. But he is training and thriving with a very talented group of players. He will presumably go out on loan next season...probably to Vitesse. We will see then what he is made of.

As far as the Chelsea academy, it has taken a few years and very soon a few players will break into the first team. In fact I dare say at least three will be in the first team squad next year.


I agree. Although its rare that a Chelsea academy product plays lots of first team minutes at Chelsea, its not an indictment of the prospects, and more of the situation Chelsea finds it in. Chelsea, Man U, Man City, PSG have so much money that they rarely play U21 guys significant minutes. They almost always go out on loan, and either are sold off, or let their contract expire.

Even a club like Barcelona which has a reputation of developing players doesnt really develop their first team anymore. Of their current first squad the only players who have come up completely through the barca system are:
Busquests was in youth program a decade a go, things have changed a lot since then.
Iniesta- even before Busquests
Messi- Same time as Iniesta
Rafina - Maybe. Tore his ACL last year, not really back yet.
Barta- Part timer. Doesnt look to be anything special.
Sandro- Maybe?
Sergi Roberto- Maybe?
**Pique came up through Barca youth's but spent first professional years at Man U before coming home)

You can see that after Iniesta/Messi/Busquests they had a huge gap in homegrown guys. All the big clubs use their reserves more for revenue then player developing. Get them good enough to transfer out, send out 2-4 of them and bring in one 26 year old stud. Thats the roster strategy of all the big guns now due to the amount of money they have at their disposal.

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