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admsghs27
Post #46
Monday December 28, 2015 9:43pm

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Original post from USAGunner

Being that the closest Donovan is to a "foreign" player is Omar Gonzalez, and most of those German American's or European American's probably aren't very friendly with Donovan, I'm going to guess it was Omar Gonzalez that said that to Donovan (if in fact one actually did say that...which I'm skeptical of in the first place).

I love how you say JK is people's "Daddy" when they defend him with facts, yet you say stuff like "I know LD wouldn't lie, etc" Oh the Irony (which I'm 100% sure is lost on you).

Ever think that perhaps some people might not feel american simply because some (like you) don't accept them (despite what their parents have done for YOU) as American's. They feel rejected, and it has nothing to do with them being proud to play for America!

I know you can't comprehend that line of thinking.


Omar Gonzales is 100xs more American than those German's will ever be. He was born and raised here they weren't. I mean they can't even speak English well what a joke.

hamsamwich
Post #47
Monday December 28, 2015 9:52pm

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"I mean they can't even speak English well what a joke." High praise coming from you Tonto.

Know Nothing
Post #48
Monday December 28, 2015 10:43pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Omar Gonzales is 100xs more American than those German's will ever be. He was born and raised here they weren't. I mean they can't even speak English well what a joke.


And those "Germans" grew up in a system that has produced World Cup Champions. I could not give a toss how well a person speaks English so long as they can effectively play within the framework of the team and are committed to the team.

admsghs27
Post #49
Monday December 28, 2015 11:22pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

And those "Germans" grew up in a system that has produced World Cup Champions. I could not give a toss how well a person speaks English so long as they can effectively play within the framework of the team and are committed to the team.

To bad we got the sucky ones the leftovers not the good ones.

cleancutimage
Post #50
Tuesday December 29, 2015 12:57am

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Original post from admsghs27

Omar Gonzales is 100xs more American than those German's will ever be. He was born and raised here they weren't. I mean they can't even speak English well what a joke.


You cannot speak English so does that mean you were not born here as well, Commie?

dunlopp9987
Post #51
Tuesday December 29, 2015 2:59am

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Original post from admsghs27

Omar Gonzales is 100xs more American than those German's will ever be. He was born and raised here they weren't. I mean they can't even speak English well what a joke.


He left it late, folks, but this has to be post of the year. Give this kid a trophy.

If that's not irony...
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hamsamwich
Post #52
Tuesday December 29, 2015 3:45am

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I like how he used the Spanish spelling of Gonzalez, a real breadcrumb on the trail to the hidden non American identity of adms...

cleancutimage
Post #53
Tuesday December 29, 2015 4:01am

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It is a known fact that Adms is about as American as David Regis is.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #54
Tuesday December 29, 2015 2:30pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Omar Gonzales is 100xs more American than those German's will ever be. He was born and raised here they weren't. I mean they can't even speak English well what a joke.


I know many more latin-Americans (Cubans, mexicans, etc) and caribbean islanders (Jamaica, Haiti, etc) that were born and raised here (parents from those places) that do not identify as American, root against America (soccer, etc), and have much more pride in the country that their parents are from than they do America.
So the fact Omar Gonzalez was born and raised in America means little to how much he identifies with America.
I'll guarantee you to a man that that the German born kids of American servicemen, have a LOT more nationalistic pride in America than the those latin-Americans and carribbean islanders born and raised here. Among my closest friends I have one from Haiti, Jamaica, and Trinidad. They all identify and root for those teams and cheer against America. My sister was born in Germany and lived there the beginning of her life (dad in Air Force). She is American through and through and has a lot of pride in America.
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cleancutimage
Post #55
Tuesday December 29, 2015 3:50pm

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Original post from USAGunner

I know many more latin-Americans (Cubans, mexicans, etc) and caribbean islanders (Jamaica, Haiti, etc) that were born and raised here (parents from those places) that do not identify as American, root against America (soccer, etc), and have much more pride in the country that their parents are from than they do America.
So the fact Omar Gonzalez was born and raised in America means little to how much he identifies with America.
I'll guarantee you to a man that that the German born kids of American servicemen, have a LOT more nationalistic pride in America than the those latin-Americans and carribbean islanders born and raised here. Among my closest friends I have one from Haiti, Jamaica, and Trinidad. They all identify and root for those teams and cheer against America. My sister was born in Germany and lived there the beginning of her life (dad in Air Force). She is American through and through and has a lot of pride in America.


Great point! I went to a USA-Ecuador friendly at Red Bull Arena in 2011 and out of the 20,000 people there I imagine 15,000 were Ecuador fans and I would assume most of them were born here. Just because you were born here does not mean you identify with this country especially if you still have close ties to your parents or grandparents country.

So being born and raised here is overrated in some cases especially if you do not identify with this country first.

db707
Post #56
Tuesday December 29, 2015 4:49pm

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Original post from cleancutimage

Great point! I went to a USA-Ecuador friendly at Red Bull Arena in 2011 and out of the 20,000 people there I imagine 15,000 were Ecuador fans and I would assume most of them were born here. Just because you were born here does not mean you identify with this country especially if you still have close ties to your parents or grandparents country.

So being born and raised here is overrated in some cases especially if you do not identify with this country first.


I see two strains: mother and other. Some people identify with the country they or their parents were born in because that is "home", their motherland and that's where they feel a connection, while the U.S. is just a place they work. I have admitted I see the D.C. area that way even after 10 years, it's just a place I work, I don't see it as home. Then the other, some people, like myself, have felt trapped at one time or another (be it by job, by a lifestyle (I hated living in suburbia)) and develop an affinity for a place that is "other", primarily because it's different, but also because it may appeal to a part of their personality. Hence my previously noted confession of fondness for Canada, it was the first "other" I was exposed to. Maybe that's gone into Mix's thinking when choosing the U.S., I don't know and frankly don't care because I believe he is committed to the U.S. in heart and mind. The weight of the pull of either or both differs with each person, and that's what the coach has to read, how that affects commitment and when combining that mindset with an assessment of the talent, will the player perform in a way that helps the team win.

Back to the point of the thread, yes, Hackworth's a retread and I would prefer new blood in the role, but he does have experience and it's done at this point, no use bemoaning it, just judge critically on the results.

admsghs27
Post #57
Tuesday December 29, 2015 7:35pm

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See there is a Difference we had to recruit and pretty much beg and guarantee PT to those German Americans is not like it was their Dream to play for USA one day. If not they would of been playing since the youth levels but their number 1 choice was always Germany they just weren't good enough for them. Omar in the other hand always dreamed of playing for USA as a kid he never thought about playing for Mexico. And that's what i said last time the same with Mexico out of 80k of their fans at the stadium 75k are born here and in some 3rd or 4th generations but yet they root for their motherland and have pride on who they are. I guarantee if there was a war between USA and Germany all those German Americans will put on their German uniform and protect their country.

cleancutimage
Post #58
Tuesday December 29, 2015 7:58pm

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So what about all those Mexicans that were born and raised here that would be traitors and fight for Mexico?

And they played at the youth level for Germany because they were not being scouted or were not shown enough interest at that time by the US. You see how it is a lot different now that JK is the coach? Now a lot of players who grew up in Germany are now playing with the youth teams and you will see more of that for years to come. I was ina Germany a few weeks ago and in November as well. German women love Americans especially Black Americans. I went to check in at the hotel one time and this German woman sounded like she was from Atlanta but with a German accent to her. It was a crazy accent to her but she was all about the 'brothas'. I say this because the German-American pipeline will be here as long as we have a military presence in that country and that will be decades.

admsghs27
Post #59
Tuesday December 29, 2015 9:08pm

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Original post from cleancutimage

So what about all those Mexicans that were born and raised here that would be traitors and fight for Mexico?

And they played at the youth level for Germany because they were not being scouted or were not shown enough interest at that time by the US. You see how it is a lot different now that JK is the coach? Now a lot of players who grew up in Germany are now playing with the youth teams and you will see more of that for years to come. I was ina Germany a few weeks ago and in November as well. German women love Americans especially Black Americans. I went to check in at the hotel one time and this German woman sounded like she was from Atlanta but with a German accent to her. It was a crazy accent to her but she was all about the 'brothas'. I say this because the German-American pipeline will be here as long as we have a military presence in that country and that will be decades.


What are you talking about we heard about most of those players when Bradley was the coach. At the time they were duals and since most were still at a young age it took them a while to commit to USA because they still had hopes of playing for Germany.

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Post #60
Tuesday December 29, 2015 10:58pm

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You have no clue what these guys had dreams of. Some of them like Zelalem has always wanted to play for the USA. Same with Jermaine Jones. Same with Nagbe. So you have no clue what these guys want. Not to mention even if some of them did want to play for Germany (absolutely probably the case), that doesn't mean they identify only as German, or that they wouldn't try for any other country. Very likely could be (and probably the case with most of them) that they identify as US and German (I know plenty like that too) and if given the choice of COURSE they would choose to play for Germany over USA if given the chance. Who wouldn't? That's like saying you have the same offer from Arsenal and QPR (Both London teams, same amount of money, and would start for either one). Who is going to choose QPR? Unless you grew up solely a QPR fan and dreamed of playing for them, you are choosing Arsenal. Even if you grew up a fan of both you are choosing Arsenal. It's really a no brainer. Same reason why guys like ArJo, Diskerud have chosen USA over where they are from. They have the choice, they like both and identify as both, but USA is better.

Being that none of us know these players, we have no clue what their line of thinking is.

You essentially have 5 categories:
1-Born and raised outside of the USA, but identify as American and would love to play here, spend most of your time trying to play here and turn down opportunities from others.
2-Born and raised outside of the USA, identify as American and "other country" would love to play for either one and good enough for either one.
3-Born and raised outside of the USA, identify as Both, would like to play for both, but not good enough for both (only good enough for 1).
4-Born and raised outside of the USA, identify as both, would love to play for where you were born and raised, USA is an after thought.
5-Born and raised outside of the USA, identify as "other country", USA is only a thought if you aren't good enough for "other country".

The overwhelmingly majority of these guys fall into categories 1-3. Maybe a couple are category 4. The only one I can think of that would be #5 is perhaps Timmy Chandler (but that is borderline).

1-Zelalem, Nagbe, Pelosi, Agudelo,
2-Diskerud, Brooks, Green,
3-Jones, Johnson, Williams, Morales (good enough for Peru, but turned them down), Wooten
4-Chandler
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