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dolcem
Post #16
Monday May 23, 2016 7:50pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

I think it's easier to step into a good situation when you have an opportunity. I can't speak on klopp as much, but as a highly rated player with a view towards being a manager helped pochettino get his awesome job at espanyol at such a young age. From there he's been fantastic no argument, but had Bob been given chances instead of earning them he might have had a better first job than being an MLS coach.


So your argument is that you think that Coach Bob would do just as well as them if given a chance on that level? What is this based off of? It's a counterfactual argument. I think if Coach Bob were a world class manager we would've beaten Ghana in the World Cup or he would have gotten Le Havre promoted, for one. But I think it's ridiculous to assume that success at the CONCACAF level would translate to success at the highest levels of the game. Do you think Sigi Schmid would be able to get Tottenham playing the way they played this season? How about some K-League manager with a really good record there? Should we assume that one of the top high school basketball coaches would be good enough to coach in the NBA?

You're assuming that the managers of less developed soccer nations are just as good as the ones in Europe (or Argentina). That if we just took the top Japanese, Korean, or American managers, they'd do as well as the top managers in the game. There's just no evidence for that. It has never happened. Not a single manager has come from an underdeveloped soccer nation and succeeded at the highest levels. The closest example I can think of would be Javier Aguirre, and Mexico has much more history than we do. In fact, there are hardly any examples of managers who didn't play in one of the top leagues. Mourinho and Villas-boas are the only two I can think of, and Mourinho was a translator in very close contact with the top managers of the game (including Bobby Robson). AVB was a scout but he never really turned out to be that good of a manager. But pretty much every other manager out there played the game at the highest levels under the game's best managers. It's silly to assume that someone who has never been exposed to the game at that level, who never played or coached with the best, would be as good as they are.

I think someday we'll produce top-tier managers coaching at the top clubs in Europe...but they will be the guys who made it into Europe and played with the top players under some of the top coaches, guys who have been exposed to the game at the highest level. Someone like Steve Cherundolo.
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Rey Regicide
Post #17
Monday May 23, 2016 7:55pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Ariggo Sacchi would be another example, but you're onto something...

dolcem
Post #18
Monday May 23, 2016 8:25pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Rey Regicide

Ariggo Sacchi would be another example, but you're onto something...


Definitely, he's the other exception to the rule. And it was a bit more common back then to see managers who hadn't played at the highest levels professionally. But that is less and less the case in the modern game. I literally can't think of any other than the two I listed. Some guys that only played second division ball, but always in really established nations (Spain, Germany, etc.) that routinely produce world class players and managers.
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dunlopp9987
Post #19
Thursday July 28, 2016 12:51am

Joined Mar 2013
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http://m.hulldailymail.co.uk/bob-bradley-new-...

Well well well...
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dunlopp9987
Post #20
Thursday July 28, 2016 3:32am

Joined Mar 2013
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My two cents: I don't think they go with BB. Too risky. A newly promoted team will not go with a coach who has never coached in that league, especially in the EPL. I think they'll hire Bobby Martinez in the end.

Still, cool to see BB as the "favorite."
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