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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #1
Thursday November 5, 2015 7:52pm

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So reports are coming out that Bradley has an verbal agreement to take over at Le Havre, whom are currently in 4th place in Ligue deux.

If he can get that club to Ligue 1 next season then that would be awesome.

From what I understand is the Le Havre is owned by an American( Vincent Volpe)with deep pockets and big ambition. He will give Bob a substantial amount of money for acquisitions. I would hazard to guess that talented American players might be in Bobs cross hairs. I am thinking of: Hyndman, Morris, Zelalem, Green, Gyau, maybe loans for Yedlin etc....

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Post #2
Thursday November 5, 2015 7:56pm

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That would be great if he can get to Ligue 1 and get some American players on loan or maybe on a free. Even if they go there while they are in Ligue 2 and help them with promotion. I would like to see Kitchen go there if the Lazio reports are not true or do not come to fruition.

They have a new stadium, definitely made for a Ligue 1 team.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #3
Friday November 6, 2015 1:48am

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He has a few faves for sure, to 2tone's list I'd add Bedoya and Omar Gonzalez as strong possibilities.

With the league underway, when is he supposedly going to take charge?

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #4
Friday November 6, 2015 8:21am

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David Wagner also just took charge of Huddersfield in the English Championship. Hope that means something good for Holmes.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #5
Saturday November 7, 2015 2:43pm

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Original post from Scout92

David Wagner also just took charge of Huddersfield in the English Championship. Hope that means something good for Holmes.


Huddersfield live on BeIN, the commentators are talking about how David Wagner is a student of Jurgen Klopp.

dolcem
Post #6
Sunday May 22, 2016 12:11pm

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Not sure where the other Bradley thread is so I'll post this here.

http://sbisoccer.com/2016/05/bob-bradley-beli...

So Coach Bob thinks he's at the level of Pochettino and Klopp. He's done a really good job abroad, better than I thought, but come on...I could see him doing well at a place like Stoke but there is no way he could do what Pochetinno is doing at Tottenham. You actually have to get the team to string together more than two passes at a time. The game is just different at that level and he hasn't been exposed to it. It's like assuming some successful high school basketball coach (who never played at the collegiate level) would make a great college basketball coach because of how good his record is at the high school level. Some day we'll produce great managers but it'll take longer than it will to produce great players. We're not there yet, but the pool will be ex-yanks abroad who learned from the game's best. Maybe Cherundolo can be that guy.
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dunlopp9987
Post #7
Sunday May 22, 2016 2:40pm

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Yeah, I saw this a few days ago. Saw the headline and had a good laugh. Nice try, Bob.
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MSantoine
Post #8
Sunday May 22, 2016 2:44pm

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Original post from dolcem

Not sure where the other Bradley thread is so I'll post this here.

http://sbisoccer.com/2016/05/bob-bradley-beli...

So Coach Bob thinks he's at the level of Pochettino and Klopp. He's done a really good job abroad, better than I thought, but come on...I could see him doing well at a place like Stoke but there is no way he could do what Pochetinno is doing at Tottenham. You actually have to get the team to string together more than two passes at a time. The game is just different at that level and he hasn't been exposed to it. It's like assuming some successful high school basketball coach (who never played at the collegiate level) would make a great college basketball coach because of how good his record is at the high school level. Some day we'll produce great managers but it'll take longer than it will to produce great players. We're not there yet, but the pool will be ex-yanks abroad who learned from the game's best. Maybe Cherundolo can be that guy.


My money is on Wagner if there's a pool for first American to be considered as a top class coach. He came through the bundesliga system and didn't look bad with hudds once he went there. In 2-3 years he could be coaching in epl or bundesliga. I also think he should be our coach after 2018 World Cup

dunlopp9987
Post #9
Sunday May 22, 2016 3:14pm

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Original post from MSantoine

My money is on Wagner if there's a pool for first American to be considered as a top class coach. He came through the bundesliga system and didn't look bad with hudds once he went there. In 2-3 years he could be coaching in epl or bundesliga. I also think he should be our coach after 2018 World Cup


You can't possibly think he'll be a head coach in the EPL or Bundesliga in 2-3 years....did you mean an assistant coach?
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tjknowsall
Post #10
Sunday May 22, 2016 3:37pm

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damn guys u think too much into this. Do u want Bob to say "I don't think I can compete with the best" No u want him to think that he is the best. So, I have nothing wrong with those comments. Bradley has had success at many of the levels he has coached at. I would like to see him coach in a relegation battle with a low table bpl or la liga team. I'm impressed with how he has done in Europe the last couple years.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #11
Sunday May 22, 2016 10:30pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from dolcem

I could see him doing well at a place like Stoke but there is no way he could do what Pochetinno is doing at Tottenham.


We will never know because he will never be given the opportunity. I would love to see him be given the chance!
He took over for Le Havre mid season just like he did for Stabaek. It wasn't until he got a full season at the helm that Stabaek began to excel. I am excited to see what he can do with Le Havre next season.

MSantoine
Post #12
Monday May 23, 2016 11:35am

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Original post from dunlopp9987

You can't possibly think he'll be a head coach in the EPL or Bundesliga in 2-3 years....did you mean an assistant coach?


Why couldnt he? He managed under Klopp for 4-5 years so that will carry weight with other executives. If he leads Huddersfield to the promotion playoffs next year or in 2018 then theres no reason after 2017-18 season he could be managing in a top tier league.

Note I have zero percent chance of him managing a team like Manchester, Liverpool, etc but why wouldnt a team like WBA, Sunderland, etc give a guy like him a shot. Sports managing is trending younger and you'll have a slew of guys joining international ranks in 2017 & 2018 once the world cup cycle ends so there will be vacancies.

hamsamwich
Post #13
Monday May 23, 2016 2:17pm

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Bradley is as good as those other guys, I agree with him. Best American coach ever for USA, and accomplishments club wise. As far as pochettino and klopp, they are great sure, but their opportunities were a lot better to start with. Bob Bradley still has more to show and prove, and more will come. He's a big success and is a proud American.

dolcem
Post #14
Monday May 23, 2016 4:07pm

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Original post from tjknowsall

damn guys u think too much into this. Do u want Bob to say "I don't think I can compete with the best" No u want him to think that he is the best. So, I have nothing wrong with those comments. Bradley has had success at many of the levels he has coached at. I would like to see him coach in a relegation battle with a low table bpl or la liga team. I'm impressed with how he has done in Europe the last couple years.


Fair enough, but how many Ligue 2 managers say they're as good as Pochetinno and Klopp? They are the two most sought-out managers in the game right now. You don't have to be self-deprecating, but there's no reason to be ridiculous, either. He could have answered that in a lot of different ways.

It annoys me that Americans have this whole victim complex in soccer, that inferior players and managers get picked over us "because they hate us and can't stand America being good at soccer." It makes us look completely provincial and just confirms a lot of stereotypes about Americans. You don't hear people from any other country in the world making these complaints, no matter what their nation's reputation is in the sport. These clubs have insane amounts of money and the world's craziest sports fans demanding the best possible performance every match. And we think that they would actually jeopardize that because they're jealous of Amurrica being #1 or something? These managers put the best players on the field every time, no matter their skin color or nationality, because their job is to win.

Now if you want to argue that MLS players are undervalued by the market, that's a different argument, and it's one that might have some credibility. But that has to do with economics rather than nationalism/racism. MLS players haven't really made much of a splash abroad, not enough for clubs to justify paying big transfer fees. We'll get there someday, but we're not there yet. But to think that Americans abroad already playing in Europe are facing discrimination is just flat out absurd and all too typical of the ethnocentric mindset of which we are often guilty of having.

Original post from hamsamwich

Bradley is as good as those other guys, I agree with him. Best American coach ever for USA, and accomplishments club wise. As far as pochettino and klopp, they are great sure, but their opportunities were a lot better to start with. Bob Bradley still has more to show and prove, and more will come. He's a big success and is a proud American.


So you think that Coach Bob, who grew up in an era when soccer wasn't on TV and cut his teeth playing and coaching at the NCAA level, is as good as a manager who took a mid-table Bundesliga team and won the league two years in a row (not at Bayern) and made it to a Champions League final? What has he ever done as a manager to be in the same sentence as those guys? In other words, you think Coach Bob the first manager ever to come out of a nation without a developed soccer culture (when he came of age, we didn't even have a professional league) to become one of the top coaches in the sport? What about Bruce Arena then? Do we have some magical ability to produce world class managers even then we've never produced a single world class field player? You don't need any exposure to the game at the highest level to be a top tier manager? Am I missing something here?
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hamsamwich
Post #15
Monday May 23, 2016 4:15pm

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I think it's easier to step into a good situation when you have an opportunity. I can't speak on klopp as much, but as a highly rated player with a view towards being a manager helped pochettino get his awesome job at espanyol at such a young age. From there he's been fantastic no argument, but had Bob been given chances instead of earning them he might have had a better first job than being an MLS coach.

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