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Post #61
Wednesday December 23, 2015 11:18pm

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Original post from Jzaval01

But Aston Villa wont in the PL next season so it defeats your point. Unless there is a miracle there for AV. Now lets be realistic he isnt going to go to England EPL and starting from day 1. He will prob be on the bench first 6 months as he is unproven in Europe just like Yedlin. At his age what manners is building consistency by getting consistent minutes. He is really rated as a young prospect so a move to a lower team in top league would we excellent. Maybe a team like Leicester City who will not be top table every year and will prob be bought out next season


It doesn't actually defeat his point, his only point was that he needs to be playing consistently alongside a veteran CB that he can learn from...James Collins at AV is one of the most well respected CBs in England over the past 5-10 years or so and I'm sure has a wealth of knowledge and experience that would help young Matt start punching above his relative weight. Gunner said he'd prefer Matt go to a 2nd tier league if he's not going to get a perfect move, so if Villa go down and Collins stays, he'd have a great chance of getting significant playing time alongside a venerated veteran...which is what Gunner was advocating for.

I agree that Red Bulls is probably not where he needs to be to maximize his potential, but I'd even rather have him start 95%+ of the MLS games from the first half of the season and then get a move than moving in January and not getting any playing time during the season only to be loaned back to MLS during the summer.

Jzaval01
Post #62
Thursday December 24, 2015 2:18am

Joined May 2013
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Original post from recycledhumans

It doesn't actually defeat his point, his only point was that he needs to be playing consistently alongside a veteran CB that he can learn from...James Collins at AV is one of the most well respected CBs in England over the past 5-10 years or so and I'm sure has a wealth of knowledge and experience that would help young Matt start punching above his relative weight. Gunner said he'd prefer Matt go to a 2nd tier league if he's not going to get a perfect move, so if Villa go down and Collins stays, he'd have a great chance of getting significant playing time alongside a venerated veteran...which is what Gunner was advocating for.

I agree that Red Bulls is probably not where he needs to be to maximize his potential, but I'd even rather have him start 95%+ of the MLS games from the first half of the season and then get a move than moving in January and not getting any playing time during the season only to be loaned back to MLS during the summer.


James Collins isnt even in Villa he is part of West Hams team. Personally dont want him or Brad at Villa next season.
The statement about him playing with Guzan, playing at Aston Villa and playing Prem over 2 Bundesliga by moving to Villa purpose is defeated since they are gone to Championship. Guzan is gone next season or he isnt a starter for the national team so he needs to move somewhere. Now i do agree a veteran would help his hot head (Miazga) immensely although thats just his trait by nature at times. Would help if we knew which teams were talking about but it would be interesting taking your guys idea and putting him at Everton. American have good reputation there and if he is very talented than everton can develop him just like they develop John Stones. Phil Jagielka is the veteran there and Roberto Martinez is a great coach and of course Howard and American presence and leader that he learn from in Everton and the ropes and all that guidence moving from MLS to EPL jump. Just my opinion.

MSantoine
Post #63
Thursday December 24, 2015 12:24pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Im throwing a curveball out there. He should go to Legia Warsaw. He's Polish so he shouldnt have as much of a hard time as its not a fully new country to him. They are always in european competitions (6 of last 7 years). And have mad 2 of last 3 UCL's. This year they are in first again so good shot at UCL next year as well. Poland is one of the top feeder leagues into bundesliga. I wouldnt be against a 2.5 year contract with them, finish this year, play all of next year, have them cash him in if it works out after the 2016-17 season.

Rey Regicide
Post #64
Thursday December 24, 2015 1:27pm

Joined Sep 2013
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If he goes to Poland, or a league of that stature in Europe and becomes a standout. Then he doesn't have to "beat out competition" on a good to really good premier league team during training, ie Yedlin.

He comes in with a "euro approval" stamp on his figurative evaluation.

At his age, it probably isn't the worst way to go.

dolcem
Post #65
Sunday April 3, 2016 7:31pm

Joined Nov 2012
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So Miazga started for Chelsea today.

I was never a fan of this move and one game doesn't mean much, but still, it's something to get a little excited about. Aside from Green (and Landon on loan that one time), have we ever had a field player play for a team like Chelsea? Pretty cool.
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admsghs27
Post #66
Sunday April 3, 2016 10:06pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from dolcem

So Miazga started for Chelsea today.

I was never a fan of this move and one game doesn't mean much, but still, it's something to get a little excited about. Aside from Green (and Landon on loan that one time), have we ever had a field player play for a team like Chelsea? Pretty cool.

Even for a better team Pulisic for Dortmund. And at age 17.

Dave
Post #67
Sunday April 3, 2016 11:03pm

Joined Jul 2014
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I'm happy for the kid. It was a good opponent for him to get his first minutes against (Villa is absolute crap). I hope he continues to improve and get minutes down the stretch.
Now that Matt's gotten his first minutes the question becomes which young player is next to get minutes for their first team? CCV?

skangles
DC
Post #68
Sunday April 3, 2016 11:35pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Spector for ManU and Gooch for AC Milan but he never played due to injury. That isn't to negate your point, it just got me thinking.

dunlopp9987
Post #69
Sunday April 3, 2016 11:56pm

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from admsghs27

Even for a better team Pulisic for Dortmund. And at age 17.


Dortmund is probably a better club than Chelsea, but they're not a bigger club. Chelsea is one of the biggest names in the world, so for Miazga to get a start with them was huge.
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admsghs27
Post #70
Monday April 4, 2016 2:10am

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Original post from dunlopp9987

Dortmund is probably a better club than Chelsea, but they're not a bigger club. Chelsea is one of the biggest names in the world, so for Miazga to get a start with them was huge.

Yeah maybe a richer club but they have about the same success historically. Also im sure you will agree with me he won't get much time when the others come back Chelsea had several back ups and a few guys who debuted for that certain game since it wad villa who stinks so bad this year. Not taking anything away from miazga im happy he made his debut but he would probably never see the field if he was at Dortmund.

dunlopp9987
Post #71
Monday April 4, 2016 2:36am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,552
Original post from admsghs27

Yeah maybe a richer club but they have about the same success historically. Also im sure you will agree with me he won't get much time when the others come back Chelsea had several back ups and a few guys who debuted for that certain game since it wad villa who stinks so bad this year. Not taking anything away from miazga im happy he made his debut but he would probably never see the field if he was at Dortmund.


This is completely your bias against anything English. You're saying that Miazga would never see the field if he were with Dortmund? That must mean you think pretty lowly of Miazga.

And I'm not talking about success historically, either. You can't honestly believe yourself if you think Dortmund is a bigger club worldwide than Chelsea. According to the latest Forbes ranking, Chelsea are valued as the 6th highest club in the world. Dortmund are 11th. I'm strictly talking about one of our young stars making a start for one of the BIGGEST clubs in the world, not the best or most successful.
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Dave
Post #72
Monday April 4, 2016 2:46am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 774
If Miazga is loaned out next year (real possibility) would love for him to go to Hertha Berlin. Imagine Brooks & Miazga practicing & playing together week in and week out. If that were to happen it could really rocket him up the depth chart and give the US a CB pairing with real Chemistry....allowing for Cameron to push forward into the CDM role. This could make for some very effective line-ups:
4-3-3
---Pulisic------Jozy------Wood---
-----Nagbe-----------Bradley---
------------Cameron-----------
--Fabian---Brooks----Miazga---Yed--

4-2-3-1
-----------Jozy---------
--Fabian----Nagbe----Bedoya
------Cameron--Bradley----
-???---Brooks----Miazga--Yed

admsghs27
Post #73
Monday April 4, 2016 4:22am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from dunlopp9987

This is completely your bias against anything English. You're saying that Miazga would never see the field if he were with Dortmund? That must mean you think pretty lowly of Miazga.

And I'm not talking about success historically, either. You can't honestly believe yourself if you think Dortmund is a bigger club worldwide than Chelsea. According to the latest Forbes ranking, Chelsea are valued as the 6th highest club in the world. Dortmund are 11th. I'm strictly talking about one of our young stars making a start for one of the BIGGEST clubs in the world, not the best or most successful.

not sure if you read my sentence where i said they are the richer club. If that;'s the Case then Howard and Spector are the best we have fielded for a Top club.

dunlopp9987
Post #74
Monday April 4, 2016 4:37am

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from admsghs27

not sure if you read my sentence where i said they are the richer club. If that;'s the Case then Howard and Spector are the best we have fielded for a Top club.


Ah yep, my bad. Missed when you said richest.

And unfortunately, Howard and Spector are the US players who have played for the biggest club. Unless I'm mistaken. Don't really count Landon's time with Bayern. 6 appearances, 5 of them friendlies and one in the DFB cup. I would say it's Howard, Spector, Miazga and Pulisic right now as our USMNT players who have played for huge clubs.
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admsghs27
Post #75
Monday April 4, 2016 4:51am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from dunlopp9987

Ah yep, my bad. Missed when you said richest.

And unfortunately, Howard and Spector are the US players who have played for the biggest club. Unless I'm mistaken. Don't really count Landon's time with Bayern. 6 appearances, 5 of them friendlies and one in the DFB cup. I would say it's Howard, Spector, Miazga and Pulisic right now as our USMNT players who have played for huge clubs.

Also a player not known as much Jovan Kiriovski won the champs league...

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1110/major-lea...

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