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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #496
Monday December 7, 2015 12:32am

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from snipes87

Who has said it's not far off? Drogba said it's hard because of travel. Not quality of play. So enlighten me with a link of a non US player. Jozy and MB couldn't handle Europe so of course they would say that. And no player is going to say "no MLS sucks" when asked by a reporter.

No MLS team could compete in the EPL. Aston Villa would win the MLS every year by a long shot. Pick any 3 MLS teams and place them in England and they would be in the Championship the next season. And they wouldn't be promoted the next. Not a knock on MLS. The MLS is getting there though, but it doesn't take much to turn on a game and see for yourself it's not close to that level yet.


Plenty have said it.

I love how your argument is predicated on that what player would say that to reporters? If that's the case then foreign players asked about the EPL quality is lying too. Right?

Based on what evidence Aston Villa would win MLS every year. What evidence?

Ridge well has stated MLS is at the championship level.

Ivanscitz has stated the quality is close to the Bundesliga level.

Gerrard stated the level was a lot higher than he expected.

KaKa has stated the league is more difficult than he thought, due to "quality" of play.

Torsten strings said it was at the level of Bundesliga 2 back in 2011. The quality of play is even better.

Giovinco has stated that he quality of play is at a pretty good level.

Do I need to go on?

Your mindset about MLS is stuck in the mid 2000's.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #497
Monday December 7, 2015 12:44am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 893
I don't think "better than expected" counts for anything. So Frings said it was a bundes 2 which would seem about right. It hasn't jumped that much in 4 years.

Giovinco scored 22 goals in 2 seasons with Parma. He scored 22 goals in 1 year with Toronto.

Keane scored about once out of every 4 matches his last years with Liverpool and Spurs. But scores about 3 out of every 4 matches in MLS. So I think that pretty much tells you where MLS is compared to Euro leagues.

And the evidence I need is watching for myself that Aston Villa would win the MLS.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #498
Monday December 7, 2015 1:02am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,387
Original post from snipes87

I don't think "better than expected" counts for anything. So Frings said it was a bundes 2 which would seem about right. It hasn't jumped that much in 4 years.

Giovinco scored 22 goals in 2 seasons with Parma. He scored 22 goals in 1 year with Toronto.

Keane scored about once out of every 4 matches his last years with Liverpool and Spurs. But scores about 3 out of every 4 matches in MLS. So I think that pretty much tells you where MLS is compared to Euro leagues.

And the evidence I need is watching for myself that Aston Villa would win the MLS.


Your opinions are not fact.

My opinions are not fact.

I have given my evidence as to why my opinion is backed up.

Giovinco was also younger and not as effective of a player at Parma.

I never said all of MLS is at the highest level.

I clearly stated most of it is at the Championship level.

I do believe a few teams would be competitive in the EPL. Especially teams like LA, Portland, New England, Vancouver, Seattle. I never said they would win the EPL or eveen finish in the top 4. I said they would be competitive. I don't know if you know this, but not every EPL team is an Arsenal or Manchester City.

Leicester City is the perfect example of a hard working team that capitalizes on their attacking forays. There are teams like that in MLS.

Keane was also mainly a sub.

admsghs27
Post #499
Monday December 7, 2015 1:09am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Love it Portland won it i called it after NE lost... And they deserved it.. Fuck the Sounders sour loser fans this hurts them more than anything... And i love every second of it... Yeaaaaaaah Go Timbers yall deserved it... Best fans in MLS no doubt no one is close to them. They should get a 50k stadium and i bet they will sell out every time. Also won me a pretty good wager so makes it even sweeter.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #500
Monday December 7, 2015 1:11am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 893
Original post from 2tone

Your opinions are not fact.

My opinions are not fact.

I have given my evidence as to why my opinion is backed up.

Giovinco was also younger and not as effective of a player at Parma.

I never said all of MLS is at the highest level.

I clearly stated most of it is at the Championship level.

I do believe a few teams would be competitive in the EPL. Especially teams like LA, Portland, New England, Vancouver, Seattle. I never said they would win the EPL or eveen finish in the top 4. I said they would be competitive. I don't know if you know this, but not every EPL team is an Arsenal or Manchester City.

Leicester City is the perfect example of a hard working team that capitalizes on their attacking forays. There are teams like that in MLS.

Keane was also mainly a sub.


I would agree more are Championship level. But what's competitive? Finishing 15-20 isn't being competitive. That's where those MLS teams would finish.

And so probably the MLS best striker (several years older now) couldn't be more than mostly a sub in the EPL before he came over??
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
admsghs27
Post #501
Monday December 7, 2015 1:12am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from snipes87

I don't think "better than expected" counts for anything. So Frings said it was a bundes 2 which would seem about right. It hasn't jumped that much in 4 years.

Giovinco scored 22 goals in 2 seasons with Parma. He scored 22 goals in 1 year with Toronto.

Keane scored about once out of every 4 matches his last years with Liverpool and Spurs. But scores about 3 out of every 4 matches in MLS. So I think that pretty much tells you where MLS is compared to Euro leagues.

And the evidence I need is watching for myself that Aston Villa would win the MLS.


I bet Valeri would be a top 5 scorer in epl.. Also NY B team schooled Chelsea A team so don't bring your crap here.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #502
Monday December 7, 2015 1:13am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,500
Not enough in the attack for the Crew to pressure the Timbers. Kamara wasn't himself, which is really bad since he is the only forward, but the guy that really bogged things down was Meram. He killed a lot of nice opportunities in the attacking third giving the ball up cheaply with poor decisions and poor passes. Finlay was pretty confident wih his match up with Villafana, but he kept going at him to prove a point when he had opportunities to get the ball into the box earlier...totally backfired, he never found any joy on that side. Portland gave Villafana quick support in 1v1s...great rotations, very organized.

Porter moving Nagbe centrally was a big move but, their team speed and D is what carried that team, especially Borchers and Chara... Chara is really a fantastic player.

Well done Portland.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #503
Monday December 7, 2015 1:25am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 893
Original post from admsghs27

I bet Valeri would be a top 5 scorer in epl.. Also NY B team schooled Chelsea A team so don't bring your crap here.


Is that the guy who could barely crack the lineup and didn't score any goals when he played for Porto?
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
skangles
DC
Post #504
Monday December 7, 2015 2:06am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,438
I never understood these types of debates. I don't care whether MLS impresses other people. I selfishly only care about whether I am entertained. While today's game had sloppy moments I cab definitively state that watching MLS Cup was worth spending 2 hours of my time. The DC-NYRB series was not worth my time and I consider myself a United fan. All in all the playoffs were highly entertaining this year.

Jzaval01
Post #505
Monday December 7, 2015 2:34am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
I think were ignoring the fact that some players just dont work in certain systems. Doesnt make them bad players they just arent as versatile enough to adjust. Also look at Carlos Vela. Ripping La Liga in half last season. This season he is nowhere near that level. What are you just going to say he is bad now all of a sudden? Thats BS. teams are adjusting and changing constantly lineup, tactics heck coach. Look at Alvaro Morata wasnt rated before going to Juve and now he his gone there and done well. Liga and Seria A just around the same level overall. Wellbeck from Man U to Arsenal, Costa in Atletico vs him in Spanish national team many many examples.
What my point? Well players like keane, Valeri, Villa would still be doing well if they went to Eredivisie, Belgium, etc leagues below top 5. Would they be killing it ? Idk to be fair especially with MLS focusing more on attack rather than defense proof in the DPs. So would valeri have done better in a lower team in Portugal or eredivisie? maybe if put in a good situation, the whole big fish in small pond discussion. We see that example all the time, where players really good players do well in small teams and once they transfer to big teams they become none existent.

Mls isnt top it's championship level with a sprinkle of quality players aka kaka, villa etc i would believe coaches who coached there like owen coyle before anyone else thats assuming things. Lastly no Aston Villa wouldnt just come and win MLS cup thats BS. They would be among favorites yes but the way they are playing now? no sorry thats crap.

camparkinson
Post #506
Monday December 7, 2015 2:56am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 321
Really impressed with Nagbe's defense, didn't know he had that kind of motor to run throughout the game through the middle in what was a very tough game. Not too many times did you see Higuain have time on the ball due to attention from Nagbe and Chara. Very impressive.

Also shocking to see so little service to Kamara, the most dominant single player in this game. Shocked at how little the Crew got from Finley and Meram. Tons of credit to Portland and Porter for a great season.

MLS has improved and ton over the last few seasons, this wans't the best game to show that off but finals are often not the most attractive matches in any league or any competition. Nerves were clearly present and that's very common at any level.

I've been an MLS fan for a while now, started as a way to track some of the younger US hopefuls and it's been improving a lot and quite quickly.

Very much looking forward to next year and the future of the league and I know it has already done tons for the US program and will continue to help grow the sport and the players domestically.

camparkinson
Post #507
Monday December 7, 2015 3:07am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 321
Time to start clamoring for Jorge Villafaña in Jan camp? Finaly was everyone's obvious pick but got shut down and we need lb options more than anything.

He's always had the offense game but his defense was in question for years, but wow he looked good today.

Jzaval01
Post #508
Monday December 7, 2015 3:29am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
yes villafana to USMNT

Mojofc
Post #509
Monday December 7, 2015 3:53am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 966
Quick summary for those that missed the match:

Horrible goalkeeping
Horrible reffing leading to horrible marking
Horrible goalkeeping
Lots more horrible reffing in between

Glad Portland won, like their match day atmosphere.
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC
admsghs27
Post #510
Monday December 7, 2015 5:25am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from snipes87

Is that the guy who could barely crack the lineup and didn't score any goals when he played for Porto?


Hey porto would be top 3 inc epl.. specially with them 3 Mexicans carrying the team.. hey how bout them boys lampard and gerrard admitting mls to quickly for them.. epl the most boring league to watch i literally fall asleep watching it is too dammm slow..

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