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Post #271
Saturday November 7, 2015 6:10pm

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Original post from 2tone

Looking like an all African final. Mali beat Belgium 3-1 while Nigeria is up 2-1 on Mexico. Nigeria looks like the more likely team to score more goals.


Because Mali and Nigeria playing their u-20 rejects. I don't trust African teams. Why are they never this good at the senior level?

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Post #272
Saturday November 7, 2015 6:25pm

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Original post from cleancutimage

Because Mali and Nigeria playing their u-20 rejects. I don't trust African teams. Why are they never this good at the senior level?


Some of those Mexican players had full beards. I don't trust Mexico either. Remember they have been convicted of using overage players in the past and banned from the 1990 WC.

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Post #273
Saturday November 7, 2015 6:41pm

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Yeah, I won't put it past Mexico either. They are another country whose players 'sprout' early and then they do not produce on the senior national level. If Mexico was as good at the senior level as they are on the youth level, they would pretty much be a lock to make the quarters/semis.

I don't want to sound bitter but Mexico pretty much puts all their resources in soccer. So it is soccer or nothing for them. Other than boxing and producing some decent baseball players, they are not a great sports country despite their large size.

cleancutimage
Post #274
Saturday November 7, 2015 6:43pm

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As for the Mexican kids with beards, I remember being in middle school and having Mexican kids at my school with full beards. Some of them go through puberty fairly earlier. I remember one was like 5'8 with a full chin strap in 6 grade and stayed that same way even after high school.

2tone
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Post #275
Saturday November 7, 2015 6:52pm

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Original post from cleancutimage

Yeah, I won't put it past Mexico either. They are another country whose players 'sprout' early and then they do not produce on the senior national level. If Mexico was as good at the senior level as they are on the youth level, they would pretty much be a lock to make the quarters/semis.

I don't want to sound bitter but Mexico pretty much puts all their resources in soccer. So it is soccer or nothing for them. Other than boxing and producing some decent baseball players, they are not a great sports country despite their large size.


I agree. For being a country that has had soccer as the #1 sport for over 70 years, you would think they would have more to show. Especially with a population of over 110 million people.

dolcem
Post #276
Saturday November 7, 2015 9:19pm

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Original post from BG6

Maybe this isn't fair on my part or will just be considered trolling and if so I apologize and you are free to call me out on it. I am wondering how many of you who are commenting on how children in the us view and think about soccer actually have children of their own? I read many of the comments here on culture for the youth and think about my own and how inaccurate the comments are as it relates to them. They play pick up on their own with their friends they play 10+ months a year. It is their favorite sport. They have been the same since they were 3 (as parents this has always been my children's choices not my wife and mine). Many of their friends and teammates are the same. From what I have observed in the academy and precedent systems here there are a large number of children filling out these spots, too many even for those available (by the way pay to play here is the norm not the exception and shows no sign of waning contrary to what has been written here in other places. This is a major problem). Perhaps this area is simply a bastion of outliers and many of you write from experience. Admittedly there are many other choices out there here so plenty of other of my children's friends have chosen other paths. I don't necessarily believe that culturally we are as far off as what people here do based upon my own experience raising children. I do believe that the system i.e. coaching is no where close to what it needs to be for those that have chosen to make it part of their lives. From what I have observed in a lifetime playing of my own and now my children I think we are a lot farther a way in terms of infrastructure and solutions than we are on the cultural elements that people point to as a primary cause for the lack of development of the national team. (I think we need a more innovative and unique set of solutions for this problem to catch up that embraces our diversity instead of a monolithic copy cat approach, yes I think about this a lot).


It just isn't played in the US the way it is in other countries. Sure, there are some kids that take it really seriously, even some that play in academies, but not nearly to the extent that it is in other countries. As you said at the end of your post, culture is what is holding us back. The USSF and MLS, while far from perfect, I think are doing a good job institutionally. But we won't rival countries like Brazil or Germany until it we develop a culture like theirs.

Original post from 2tone

I agree. For being a country that has had soccer as the #1 sport for over 70 years, you would think they would have more to show. Especially with a population of over 110 million people.


So true. Mexico is not nearly as good as it should be. They've hosted two world cups and never even made a semi-final, but their fans are convinced that they're a powerhouse because they're the best in CONCACAF.

I think their isolation in CONCACAF is a big part of the problem, as well as having too much money in their domestic league (Mexican players tend to stay at home rather than go to Europe because of the lack of financial incentive). Problems American soccer is already running into.
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