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2tone
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Sunday November 1, 2015 6:18pm

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One of the most evenly dispersed U17 WC QF's I have seen recently.

2 Concacaf teams: Mexico, Costa Rica
2 Conmebol teams: Ecuador, Brazil
2 Uefa teams: Belgium, Croatia
2 Caf teams: Mali, Nigeria

2tone
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Post #242
Sunday November 1, 2015 8:36pm

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Nigeria destroying Brazil 3-0 in the first half.

stone88
Post #243
Sunday November 1, 2015 9:53pm

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Original post from 2tone

Nigeria destroying Brazil 3-0 in the first half.


I wonder the real age of some of these Nigerian "kids".



skangles
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Post #244
Sunday November 1, 2015 9:57pm

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Original post from stone88

I wonder the real age of some of these Nigerian "kids".



I'll raise you a Danny Almonte.



cleancutimage
Post #245
Sunday November 1, 2015 10:07pm

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Original post from stone88

I wonder the real age of some of these Nigerian "kids".



Pretty much, that is why Nigeria isn't great at the senior level because most of their 'kids' peaked at the youth level. Freddy Adu was great when he was 17 playing against 11 year olds.

2tone
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Post #246
Monday November 2, 2015 12:17am

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These Mali kids are big too.

dolcem
Post #247
Monday November 2, 2015 2:49pm

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Guys there is no way that Benfica was willing to shell out millions for an 18 year old without using a bone scanner. Freddy's problem was becoming the face of the MLS at age 14. Had he gone to, say, Inter, we would have had a quality, flashy #10 all of these years.
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Post #248
Monday November 2, 2015 3:53pm

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I think also the tactics have changed, who's been the flashy no. 10 of recent?

Ozil? He constantly gets dogged, he went from a sweet gig in Real Madrid, (where people would be like "why you playing him? he does no work on defense") to being marginalized at Arsenal, and even there from what I've seen it isn't like he's lit the place up.

If you have 10 on your back, you're expected to produce alot of goals and be more direct, than be deliberate. Adu was 10 years too late =(, or too early? (I can see it come back if the 5 3 2 comes back in vogue and more teams look like Chile with Valdivia at the helm)

admsghs27
Post #249
Monday November 2, 2015 10:53pm

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Well Mexico back to the Semis.. We really gotta learn their style of coaching at the youth levels. Hopefully Costa rica wins later on so 2 concacaf teams could be in the Semis.

coverby
Post #250
Tuesday November 3, 2015 2:05am

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Costa Rica loses 1-0 to Belgium

fccl
Post #251
Tuesday November 3, 2015 9:01am

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Original post from admsghs27

Well Mexico back to the Semis.. We really gotta learn their style of coaching at the youth levels. Hopefully Costa rica wins later on so 2 concacaf teams could be in the Semis.

http://www.espnfc.com/mexican-liga-mx/22/blog...
This is a pretty good interview from Tom Marshall with Pachuca's Sporting Director, basically he talked about how the coaches go to Europe to study and that they scout for kids as young as 11-12 because teams like Chivas and Atlas have a monopoly over the older kids.

cleancutimage
Post #252
Tuesday November 3, 2015 2:48pm

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Original post from fccl

http://www.espnfc.com/mexican-liga-mx/22/blog...
This is a pretty good interview from Tom Marshall with Pachuca's Sporting Director, basically he talked about how the coaches go to Europe to study and that they scout for kids as young as 11-12 because teams like Chivas and Atlas have a monopoly over the older kids.


Key excerpt from that interview: TM: What about the U.S.? Is that a double-A scouting zone?

MG: (laughs) The States has become a very, very interesting place. We have at least 30 million Mexicans living there with a different kind of nutrition, a different kind of education. They are very strong, they are very well-educated. For me, the big problem in bringing in Americans is that they are very, very used to the American way of life. They want the mall, they want the ocean, they want all that and we don't have ocean in Pachuca, we don't have big malls... Southern California is the most interesting part, as well as Texas, Arizona.

And that is the point I have trying to make. Kids do not live, breathe, eat, soccer in this country even the Latino kids for the most part. They like it and they want to play it and possibly go professional but even kids of immigrants have become Americanized and will play soccer a couple hours but they ultimately, want the girls, the nice clothes, to hang out. While in countries like Mexico, if they do go to the ocean, they bring a soccer ball with them and are playing there. That is their lifestyle, it is not just a hobby. That is why you see even the Mexican Americans in our current pool are just average compared to the Mexicans on the their national team. It is deeper than that, of course but just a tidbit on how I see,

2tone
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Post #253
Tuesday November 3, 2015 6:43pm

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Original post from cleancutimage

Key excerpt from that interview: TM: What about the U.S.? Is that a double-A scouting zone?

MG: (laughs) The States has become a very, very interesting place. We have at least 30 million Mexicans living there with a different kind of nutrition, a different kind of education. They are very strong, they are very well-educated. For me, the big problem in bringing in Americans is that they are very, very used to the American way of life. They want the mall, they want the ocean, they want all that and we don't have ocean in Pachuca, we don't have big malls... Southern California is the most interesting part, as well as Texas, Arizona.

And that is the point I have trying to make. Kids do not live, breathe, eat, soccer in this country even the Latino kids for the most part. They like it and they want to play it and possibly go professional but even kids of immigrants have become Americanized and will play soccer a couple hours but they ultimately, want the girls, the nice clothes, to hang out. While in countries like Mexico, if they do go to the ocean, they bring a soccer ball with them and are playing there. That is their lifestyle, it is not just a hobby. That is why you see even the Mexican Americans in our current pool are just average compared to the Mexicans on the their national team. It is deeper than that, of course but just a tidbit on how I see,


But yet the US has a winning record against Mexoico since 2000.?.?.? Damn the United States for offering much more than just a soccer ball. Also that is utter nonsense to say American kids aren't committed. The US wouldn't dominate in the Olympics if kids weren't committed to their sport. I see kids go everywhere with their soccer balls in Seattle. Hell I used to go everywhere with my soccer ball as a kid.

I think what he is saying is that Mexican-American kids are used to a higher standard of living in the US compared to what Mexicans get in Mexico. Which makes the transition harder for Mexican-Americans coming to Mexican clubs. Jose FranciscoTorres, Edgar Castillo, Ventura Alvarado etc.. Have all spoken about how hard it was to go from the standard of living in the US to the standard of living in Mexico.

cleancutimage
Post #254
Tuesday November 3, 2015 7:31pm

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US has a winning record against Mexico because of the American spirit and hard work not being more talented. Major of those players have been White and Black kids who are more athletic but a lot less technically gifted than the Mexicans. Even when the Mexicans were in transition phase, I could not remember a US team that played against them that we were more technically gifted man to man.

You can be committed without being totally invested in something. We are committed to school until we graduated but that doesn't mean I was spending all my time studying and doing homework. The commitment is there, yes but do they live by soccer? Up until now, I cannot say a lot of the kids in our pool do. Now, with IMG and the youth program building that is starting to change.

I got that out of the excerpt too, the higher standard of living and that only proves my being less hungry. You have less you have to do more to get where you want. Travel teams in the U.S. are the way right now, you think a Mexican kid in East LA has the money? That is why a lot of players go to Mexico at young ages and sign on with their youth teams because it is a different way of life and more cost efficient.

I was raised in Seattle myself. Beacon Hill. Other than the Mexicans I grew up around, I don't remember seeing too many soccer balls kicked around(I thought soccer was a girl sport until I watched the 98 WC and was hooked). Then again I haven't lived there full-time since 2006. But every Seattlelite knows basketball is the #1 sport in Seattle. Look at the players we have put in the NBA. Now, soccer might have caught on because of the success of the Sounders and such.

Funny, you say how we dominate the Olympics. A lot of those kids are invested in their particular sport. Look at basketball, those are inner city kids for the most part who know that is a way out their situation. Maybe a few did not see it like that but I would say a lot. The skiers have to invest $$$ to be good at that, so they cannot take it for granted. Track athletes have a natural gift and the best resources in the world and still do not dominate like they once did.

Just admit, soccer is not a top sport in this country yet. It is growing and I have seen the argument many times until our best athletes start to play soccer, we will always be a second rate soccer nation. US soccer has to do a better job at getting inner city Black, Hispanic, European immigrants, Asian, etc...on board.

fccl
Post #255
Tuesday November 3, 2015 9:15pm

Joined May 2013
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Original post from 2tone

But yet the US has a winning record against Mexoico since 2000.?.?.? Damn the United States for offering much more than just a soccer ball. Also that is utter nonsense to say American kids aren't committed. The US wouldn't dominate in the Olympics if kids weren't committed to their sport. I see kids go everywhere with their soccer balls in Seattle. Hell I used to go everywhere with my soccer ball as a kid.

I think what he is saying is that Mexican-American kids are used to a higher standard of living in the US compared to what Mexicans get in Mexico. Which makes the transition harder for Mexican-Americans coming to Mexican clubs. Jose FranciscoTorres, Edgar Castillo, Ventura Alvarado etc.. Have all spoken about how hard it was to go from the standard of living in the US to the standard of living in Mexico.

literally over half of the wins in our favor come from friendlies, it is like trying to argue we are as good as Germany because they have only beat us once in three games we have played against them lately, in official competitive games both Mexico and the US are literally tied, Mexico has beat us 3 out of 4 times in CONCACAF finals since then and both teams usually get a win at each other home stadium during qualifiers being their disastrous 2013 game at the Azteca the only exception, also one of the key elements of all the results in our favor was no other than Landon Donovan, the best player in the history of this country who is now retired and we have no potential successor for him in sight. You also use the olympics as an example when there is barely any relation between doing good at the olympics and doing well at soccer, the 4 powerhouses at the olympic games (US, China, Russia and the UK) are all mediocre or barely above average soccer teams. Remember that the olympics are an amateur competition and many soccer powerhouses like Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Spain, Uruguay, etc. do terribly at the olympic games.

I would like a source for those comments from the mexican-american guys though, I think that what he meant is that they just want to have fun instead of actually seeing it as a serious job opportunity.

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