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Post #226
Friday October 30, 2015 9:00pm

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Perfect example was the Gambia in 2007 u-20 WC. They finished second in their group ahead of Portugal got to the round of 16, lost to an eventual semi-finalists and the team that knocked us out that year in Austria. I remember they were being hyped and were set to be an emerging nation in Africa. We bought up a lot of their players like hot cakes thinking they would be bargains in a few years time.

Now, look at the Gambia, they are still a minnow in Africa and players like the Nyassi brothers and Mansally have never been stars and have pretty much been journeymen throughout the league or haven't solidified their place in a teams starting XI.

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Post #227
Friday October 30, 2015 9:03pm

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Yea we have beaten those teams at the senior level but hey have beaten us more times also. Problem is our senior team doesn't have a good style of play every time i watch our senior team is extremely frustrating even when we pull out results we just look bad doing it. It might be that they are thought to play that way at an early age when they should be thought to play aggressive attacking soccer at an early age. We literally look like robots out there no creativity what so ever. And i think that will change once our youth teams start performing better and get results.

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Post #228
Friday October 30, 2015 9:13pm

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So it isn't a JK problem then. It is a youth level even lower than the u-17s, u-15s. JK said this when he first became manager. Only in this country is soccer a rich boys sport. Everywhere else in the world it is the poor or the working class sport.

Look at Dempsey his parents weren't rich and had to make sacrifices and he might be the most technically gifted player we have in our pool. Until, we do a better job of scouting and finding those young Latino kids that are in LA, Miami, Dallas, NYC that are playing in the alley and shooting between two plastic garbage cans for 16+ hours a week/52 weeks a year then we are doing all the wrong way by strictly recruiting from travel teams who might practice 8-10 hours(might be generous in my guess) max then play a game on the weekend one or two seasons out the year.

Nothing wrong with rich kids playing because some of them will be quite good players but they have to live, breathe, eat, sleep soccer. A lot of these kids join for the social aspect and then move onto other sports in high school. In Argentina, Brazil, Mexico it is the only way to get out of their hood for many of them.

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Post #229
Friday October 30, 2015 9:16pm

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I agree, that our style of soccer sucks. No possession, lump the ball forward, defend, defend, defend, panic defending, very direct, no width, no 1v1, cannot play out the back. We play very primitive soccer but that is because the type of player we have at this point in our country.

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Post #230
Friday October 30, 2015 11:31pm

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Jurgen has to go our senior team played better when he wasn't around. He has had terrible results and is not improving the team at all. Plus he is the technical director so he has to be at some fault also for our youth teams struggles. He is not the right man for the job if he does stay which looks like he will he should get pressure on him the first order of business would be if he doesn't win the Copa America then he has to go making the final ain't gonna cut it. After all these bad results he has to win it or bye bye.

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Post #231
Saturday October 31, 2015 2:01am

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It is not Jurgen's fault for generations and generations of poor youth development. He has only been the coach for 4 years not 40.

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Post #232
Saturday October 31, 2015 2:42am

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Original post from cleancutimage

It is not Jurgen's fault for generations and generations of poor youth development. He has only been the coach for 4 years not 40.


Too bad we have been more bad than before this past 4 years missed a sub 20 WC for first time ever, same with 17's, Same with Olympics. Worst finish in GC history, Longest win less streak at home ever vs concacaf opponents, Lost to mexico in the first concacaf championship. So yea i would say he has to go cause not even Bradley or Arena had such poor results.

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Post #233
Saturday October 31, 2015 3:22am

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Original post from admsghs27

Too bad we have been more bad than before this past 4 years missed a sub 20 WC for first time ever, same with 17's, Same with Olympics. Worst finish in GC history, Longest win less streak at home ever vs concacaf opponents, Lost to mexico in the first concacaf championship. So yea i would say he has to go cause not even Bradley or Arena had such poor results.


The sub 20 was under Bradley not JK.

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Post #234
Saturday October 31, 2015 3:24am

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How about giving credit to our region? Our region is getting better as well. Teams like Costa Rica, Honduras and Panama are better than they ever were. Pretty soon those countries will start producing world class talent.

It is more to it than you make it. Yes, we have had some poor results but it is against the better competition in our region. We are not losing to Dominican Republic or Montserrat. Sometimes you have to give credit to the opponent. I notice a lot of people on this site think more highly of our soccer teams than they really are. The reality is we overachieved for a lot of years and now we are saying who we really are.

Now it is up to Klinsmann and the players of he picks to show that the US has developed.

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Post #235
Saturday October 31, 2015 4:24am

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Original post from coverby

The sub 20 was under Bradley not JK.


Bradley was not technical director. JK is so he has some responsibility to what goes on with them since he also called up a few sub 20 players.

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Post #236
Saturday October 31, 2015 4:31am

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Original post from admsghs27

Bradley was not technical director. JK is so he has some responsibility to what goes on with them since he also called up a few sub 20 players.


Doesn't matter. They didn't qualify when Bradley was coach not JK.

You're a terrible troll at trying to prove something.

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Post #237
Saturday October 31, 2015 4:46am

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Original post from coverby

Doesn't matter. They didn't qualify when Bradley was coach not JK.

You're a terrible troll at trying to prove something.


That's what happens when you dislike someone. Can't think objectively.

I dislike Landon Donovan but I must admit he is the best US player to date. Not comparing him to JK and saying JK is the best manager to date. But I showing how you can dislike someone yet be objective with your opinion.

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Post #238
Saturday October 31, 2015 6:56pm

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Original post from 2tone

This debate wasn't about the US. You argued that other big countries that have won a senior WC aren't very good at the youth level. I was just re establishing my argument that Italy, Spain, Brazil, Germany, England, Ururguay, France, and Argentina have all won significant youth tournaments.

We were close in the very first WC back in 1930. Just saying.

This was Croatia's second ever U17 WC appearance. They are now going to the QF's. This was the US's 15th appearance in the u17 age range. 15 out of 16 tournaments that have been played the US has qualified for. They should be getting to QF's or beyond much more frequent then they have. I think they have only been to the QF's 5 times and SF's once when there wasn't a round of 16. Since the round of 16 was implemented with more teams in 2007 the US has never beaten their round of 16 opponent.

I agree with you that changes need to be made to the current u17 program.


I argued that they aren't consistent at the youth level. No one is.

Croatia produces world class players. The US does not. I don't see why us not being able to beat them is some sort of crisis.

We just aren't an elite soccer power. More importantly, we can't produce truly quality field players yet. We play well as a national team and with a lot of heart, but the US hasn't produced a world class field player yet. Donovan and Dempsey were nice players but they don't have the quality of a Lukas Modric or an Ivan Rakitic, for example. So I don't understand why people freak out when we don't advance out of the group of death in a youth tournament.
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Post #239
Saturday October 31, 2015 8:00pm

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Because in those countries kids are playing soccer 365, in our country kids are playing soccer 2 seasons at most usual and probably have another sport as their favorite sport. Also, the coaching our kids get is poor. Most of it is 'Hey Timmy, you are our best player and the biggest, strongest, fastest kid on the field, I just want you to run, bull your way through the defense and score.' Coach to the other kids 'Timmy is our best player, I just want you to pass long balls to him as he is faster then everyone, got it?' *break*

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Post #240
Saturday October 31, 2015 9:04pm

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Original post from cleancutimage

Because in those countries kids are playing soccer 365, in our country kids are playing soccer 2 seasons at most usual and probably have another sport as their favorite sport. Also, the coaching our kids get is poor. Most of it is 'Hey Timmy, you are our best player and the biggest, strongest, fastest kid on the field, I just want you to run, bull your way through the defense and score.' Coach to the other kids 'Timmy is our best player, I just want you to pass long balls to him as he is faster then everyone, got it?' *break*


Of course culture is the biggest reason. We don't play soccer (or watch it) as seriously as it is in other countries. It's not that we're doing a bad job institutionally (although there's room for improvement), it's just a reality. People freak out so much when our teams don't do well but their expectations are just way too high.
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