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recycledhumans
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Post #1
Thursday September 24, 2015 6:43pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from mmee

Hey, I'm just posting here because it's one of the few MLS threads that we have going, and it didn't seem like it was worth it to start a new thread:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-fc-yahoo...
Regardless of what happens the rest of the season, the over-achievements of NYRB and FCD are amazing.

....not as amazing as Lewandowski, but still.


Despite mmee's naysay, I do think this topic deserves it's own thread...not just because FCD is last in salary and second in PPG...which is great...but because of how the disparity in salaries from comparable on-the-pitch producers is downright criminal.

I will again point to David Texeira. One of the team's highest paid, but one of the team's least producing and/or least effective players. Conversely, Harry Shipp is making 1/3 of the money is by far a more proven and effective player for his team. Sticking just with FCD, Victor Ulloa has proven himself to be one of cornerstones of the foundation of the team, making 1/5 of the money Texeira is.

The next CBA absolutely has to raise the cap enough for every team to pay a base salary of $100k/year. This will force a lot of teams in the supposed top tier of American football to decide if the players they have are worth that kinda money, and will induce an influx of talent coming from abroad. Keep going with the exemptions for HGs and GA players, and I'm not solid on the "young DP" rules but I believe that also helps with cap space, to encourage growing young American and/or domestically produced talent. The tenure system of minimum salary is a step in the right direction, but at some point we need to stop letting the owners drag their feet on helping real change that will grow the league in terms of exposure and quality. It's insane to me that Garber isn't holding their feet to the fire on this, since it's his stated goal to be one of the top leagues by 2022. A goal that lofty, whether or not it's actually achievable, needs to be backed up by action...and more teams in secondary markets isn't going to do the trick the same way a new CBA would.

Live490
Texas
Post #2
Thursday September 24, 2015 7:22pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,167
I really like ulloa's game. Mind you i have seen him like 5 games. Can he suit up for the stars and stripes?

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #3
Thursday September 24, 2015 8:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Live490

I really like ulloa's game. Mind you i have seen him like 5 games. Can he suit up for the stars and stripes?


Not sure, Wiki has his birthplace as Mexico, but MLS says Wylie, TX...then later in the MLS bio it says birthplace Mexico. Wiki page doesn't show that he's been capped by anyone at any level, so if the US can snag him I def. think they should. I still don't see anyone coming up past Danny Williams that can solidly play as a CDM (rather than the one stay, one go part time CDMs we've been implementing lately), and Vic is a defender first which I believe is a spot that no one has filled since Beckerman stopped being a permanent member of the USMNT conversation. Williams is a lot more of a defender than most of the CMs we've been playing lately (Jones is a good defender but plays as a box-to-box for the most part), but he's still not the "stay at home" CDM that we need.

We (USMNT) need a 4-1-4-1 so that the attacking mids can start with their base position a lot closer to the players they'll be playing off of...a hard-nosed stay-at-home CDM lets the attacking 5 play with a lot more freedom to get forward and/or play out of position.

Live490
Texas
Post #4
Thursday September 24, 2015 8:30pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,167
And Ulloa has good passing and ball control. I like his style.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #5
Friday September 25, 2015 1:00am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
recycled, FCD is pretty well set up to clobber giants in the playoffs- and that's just on the Western side. Even Vancouver spends 50% more than your team does.

LAG and SS both need to win it all to justify their salaries, and they have some tough teams to go through to win it all. I predicted a few months ago that LA would not, and that it would be because of their backline..... safe bet, I know. If you had to pick a reason, that would be it. And that was before their attacking chemistry went to hell.
Now I'm just about sure that we won't win it. I'll put us on about 5-10% chance.

Meanwhille, NYCFC and OCSC salaries.... ouch

I do promise you that I will root for FCD over NYRB if that's the final. I don't like that franchise for the front office, owners and name.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #6
Friday September 25, 2015 2:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Original post from Live490

And Ulloa has good passing and ball control. I like his style.


The benefits of a stay-at-home CDM are that the front 5 have enough freedom to create for themselves, rather than relying on a deep-lying playmaker picking out runs.

A lot of poise though, for a guy so young.

Original post from mmee

recycled, FCD is pretty well set up to clobber giants in the playoffs- and that's just on the Western side. Even Vancouver spends 50% more than your team does.

LAG and SS both need to win it all to justify their salaries, and they have some tough teams to go through to win it all. I predicted a few months ago that LA would not, and that it would be because of their backline..... safe bet, I know. If you had to pick a reason, that would be it. And that was before their attacking chemistry went to hell.
Now I'm just about sure that we won't win it. I'll put us on about 5-10% chance.

Meanwhille, NYCFC and OCSC salaries.... ouch

I do promise you that I will root for FCD over NYRB if that's the final. I don't like that franchise for the front office, owners and name.


I know what you mean, the whole situation is just silly. But my point is geared more toward how certain teams haven't been able to make the most of their spending, but if the cap was raised and Dallas was able to fully exploit their South American scouting network and bring in lots of young talent like we did with Castillo, how much better could/would we be?

For sure, the minimum salary for HGs and GAs should be raised, considering those salaries aren't counted against the cap. It'll encourage a lot of the borderline pro talent from "wasting" 4 years at college (not that the education is a waste, but if your plan is to go pro then you should do so right out of high school). There aren't a lot of players that are coming out of college that are first team ready each year, maybe a handful...whereas, FCD academy players sign pro deals 16-18 and by the time they'd be getting out of college, they're already featuring if not starting for the first team. This is where the real growth in the league is happening, and it needs to be encouraged at every opportunity.

skangles
DC
Post #7
Friday September 25, 2015 5:07pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,412
Original post from mmee

recycled, FCD is pretty well set up to clobber giants in the playoffs- and that's just on the Western side. Even Vancouver spends 50% more than your team does.

LAG and SS both need to win it all to justify their salaries, and they have some tough teams to go through to win it all. I predicted a few months ago that LA would not, and that it would be because of their backline..... safe bet, I know. If you had to pick a reason, that would be it. And that was before their attacking chemistry went to hell.
Now I'm just about sure that we won't win it. I'll put us on about 5-10% chance.

Meanwhille, NYCFC and OCSC salaries.... ouch

I do promise you that I will root for FCD over NYRB if that's the final. I don't like that franchise for the front office, owners and name.


Interesting comment because I'd argue what sets LA apart from the other big spenders is that they actually have a decent backline. I like DeLaGarza, Omar and Rogers and Gargan is a nice option for depth. I'm not sold on Leonardo, I think his position is the most obvious upgrade opportunity for the Galaxy but admittedly he's put in a few decent performances this year but my mind was already made up about him.

I like Marshall for Seattle and I liked the Torres transfer before his injury, Seattle at least tries in defense unlike Toronto and NYCFC which have ignored the backline altogether.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #8
Friday September 25, 2015 5:51pm

Joined Jul 2012
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I still have a New England V Seattle final.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #9
Friday September 25, 2015 9:05pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
I think we can all agree that LA are under-performing this year, despite Zardes having a breakout season and RK still doing his thing...make no mistake though, they get the cogs in the right places and they'll be a death machine.

The guys that are making the most of their rosters without big name players, like FCD, should be rewarded in some way for not having any million $ plus salaries. No detriment or penalty for any team signing those big names, but teams that can compete without them should get compensated by additional cap space or some other sort of incentive.

platter
Jacksonville, FL
Post #10
Friday September 25, 2015 9:09pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 97
Original post from Live490

I really like ulloa's game. Mind you i have seen him like 5 games. Can he suit up for the stars and stripes?


found an interview/article about Ulloa stating that he is a dual-national and while he at one time favored Mexico, he now has his doubts and would consider USA.

http://www.prostamerika.com/2015/05/05/in-the...

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #11
Saturday September 26, 2015 2:04am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Original post from skangles

Interesting comment because I'd argue what sets LA apart from the other big spenders is that they actually have a decent backline. I like DeLaGarza, Omar and Rogers and Gargan is a nice option for depth. I'm not sold on Leonardo, I think his position is the most obvious upgrade opportunity for the Galaxy but admittedly he's put in a few decent performances this year but my mind was already made up about him.


I'm not saying that they suck. Leonardo's mediocre. Rogers, Gonzo, De La Garza and Gargan are all solid, but with a lot of gaffe potential. The Gonzo and/or Garza connection has looked particularly bad lately.

It seems like our attackers beat defenders and shoot well when we're playing well. When we're playing poorly, it seems like our defenders don't just get beat..... they totally blow it. Like not 1v1 problems too often, more like Keystone Cops.

It's often a 'support without balance' kind of problem. One of the CBs will get pulled past his opposite goal post without teammates balancing him out, either they don't recognize and run, or they just get beat because they're short.

cleancutimage
Post #12
Sunday December 20, 2015 7:16am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,283
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1110/major-lea...

We all know Ruud Gullit failed miserably but I am glad he is humbled and understand this.

Foreign managers come to MLS with a cocky mentality and think because of their past they will just walk through MLS. This is what makes MLS unique. I think what Mourinho did with Porto was incredible but do you think he would be the same manager if he didn't coach at clubs with large budgets like Chelsea, Real Madrid and Inter? A lot of the best managers had their best success with the best clubs. I do not think they would fair so well at a smaller clubs or clubs with more financial restraints like the MLS. To do well in MLS with the restrictions shows you can truly coach the game and not just be a great game manager.

skangles
DC
Post #13
Sunday December 20, 2015 7:25am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,412
True, especially since MLS changes its salary restrictions every 5 minutes. I am a big NBA fan and I follow the quirks of the NBA CBA in order to understand what teams can and cannot do. I would like to be in a similar position with MLS but they make it awfully difficult.

It must be brutal to come into this ever changing salary cap world from Europe. Managers could be great with the x's and o's but trying to establish a competitive roster in this environment is no easy task. Just look at NYCFC last season.

cleancutimage
Post #14
Sunday December 20, 2015 7:39am

Joined Oct 2013
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Managers from Europe definitely have to do their homework on the league and the rules. MLS is probably the most unique league in how it is run. A team can go from winning the league to the bottom of the league the next season, you won't see that in any other league(accept Mexico(because of corruption) and Chelsea).

I just think Garber is still babying the league too much. I think he should allow the owners more freedom to invest in their product. What is he afraid of? Not like he has to worry about promotion relegation. It will only make the league more competitive than it already is.


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