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Live490
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Post #16
Thursday September 17, 2015 1:50am

Joined Mar 2013
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Wow man, those are pretty cool. For coaching, did you get a degree on it for the high school level? Or was it like on my school, we didn't have a coach so a computer teacher got a 3200 stipend to "coach" for the season? And was it when Bradley had that funny hair lol?

dolcem
Post #17
Thursday September 17, 2015 2:34am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Thanks for the kind words guys. I'm going to revise it quite a bit and post a better version (with more details) on my new blog.

Original post from mmee

REF:
-I already told the story on here of the Police League game where we had to call the police on the police....... that's the long and the short of it. Thankfully I was AR, not CR, or I would have felt responsible.



Post the link.

My brother was a ref (soccer and basketball) and he had some crazy stories. One time a a 2nd grad girls basketball game descended into an absolute riot. Of course the kids don't know to play basketball and were fouling each other constantly, and my brother had to let most of the calls go because otherwise the game wouldn't be able to continue for more than a few seconds at a time. The parents started getting more and more riled up and it got to the point where every time a foul wasn't called, they screamed profanity. Most had left their seats and were leaning over the railing, going absolutely ballistic, and since it was a tiny gym the noise was deafening. One of the coach's was about 6'4" and at least 220 pounds, while my brother was a skinny high school kid. On several occasions he got right in my brother's face and yelled things like "if you make another call like that I'm going to rip your fucking head off!" Seven year olds girls, we're talking here. Later, an official from our Park and Rec department that had attended the game described it as a "brawl." Sometimes you really wonder what's wrong with people.
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skangles
DC
Post #18
Thursday September 17, 2015 3:32am

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from mmee

I just looked up the Confed Cup 2003 out of curiosity. I don't remember if that was televised, but if it was, I watched it.



Contrary to everything we're hearing about the criticality of the Confederations Cup ahead of the match with Mexico next month, I vividly remember Bruce claiming that he was going to use the 2003 Gold Cup to try things out ahead of the Gold Cup as regional competitions were more important.

To be fair, he brought a lot of the same players to both tournaments a la Jamaica this summer and the Confederations Cup wasn't quite the same as it is now (partially because it wasn't hosted by the next World Cup hosts and partially because we hadn't yet beaten Spain and lost to Brazil in a thriller in 2009).

Still I was puzzled by his comments at the time.

skangles
DC
Post #19
Thursday September 17, 2015 3:47am

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from mmee

-went to 1994 WC USA Columbia match


Serious question, how do you feel about the denim jersey? If I were at the game the denim jerseys would have a crazy sentimental value for the memory.

Original post from mmee

-funniest story was playing a 4-4-2 against some dipshit coach who played a (I shit you not) 3-3-4 in a fairly high-level tournament. Obviously we never practiced how to play against a 3-3-4. We made some adjustments on the fly and I think by the end of the game the possession ratio was like 70%-30% us. We won like 4-0. Nice forwards, bro.


Does that coach post on here? Sounds like a formation I could imagine some posters here would try out.

Original post from mmee

REF:
-I already told the story on here of the Police League game where we had to call the police on the police....... that's the long and the short of it. Thankfully I was AR, not CR, or I would have felt responsible.



That is a great story.

Original post from mmee
There's not even free t-shirts at stake in those games, either.

...

Anyway, my overall takeaway from youth soccer (in California, where it's certainly better than other places) is the overemphasis on winning and status over building skills, tactics, character, etc. Humans are just a bunch of featherless bipeds.


I would definitely give you hell if a free t-shirt saying "Humans are just a bunch of featherless bipeds" was at stake.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #20
Thursday September 17, 2015 12:26pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Original post from dolcem
Post the link.

I wish I could. It didn't blow up into a thing where the press have a record of it.

Of course the kids don't know to play basketball and were fouling each other constantly, and my brother had to let most of the calls go because otherwise the game wouldn't be able to continue for more than a few seconds at a time.

Yeah, exactly. How don't people understand that? It's 2nd graders.
For soccer, there are pitch and weather conditions where you have to let 'hand balls' go throughout the game, because they are not hand-to-ball in any reasonable understanding of the law. Also, if the skill level and/or age are low, you let even more of them go. Anything else is just cruel to the players, let alone disruptive to the flow.

Every match/game should basically be a training exercise until the age of 12 or so, and then about half of them should until 16 or so. It's one of the secondary reasons why Spanish (etc) players are way better than ours in soccer.

dolcem, you can copy anything I've said on this thread into your blog if you like.
Original post from Live490
For coaching, did you get a degree on it for the high school level?

D license. But D license is the 2nd one and really fairly easy to get.
I think the hardest part of the test was diagramming out some 2v1 drills where players have to make decisions, and some keep-away-style games.
(actually, the hardest part of the course was playing GK for the exercises, and getting whaled on by crazy high-level players)
USnLFCfan apparently has a B, where you really have to pass some tests.
I think if you played pro, you start with a B or C.
Original post from skangles
Serious question, how do you feel about the denim jersey? If I were at the game the denim jerseys would have a crazy sentimental value for the memory.

I like the denim jerseys and they do have sentimental value. They were unique and, you know, haters gonna hate.
Personally, my jersey purchases have been haphazard based on whether it was on sale when I stumbled on it. I'm not a real sports gear collector. I don't have one but I wish I did probably more than any other jersey.

I'm trying to think if I have any other crazy stories from soccer.

Most of my coach stories split up into either a) scrappy overachiever kids being awesome or b) bush league bullshit, sometimes including the kids, but usually not rising to the level of 'crazy'.
-A few times coaching HS, we showed up for an away game to encounter some bush league bullshit like no benches for us but benches for the home team, etc. etc.
-My main takeaway from coaching is that rich kids (as in spoiled and manipulative) suck way more than troubled kids (as in, busted at school, personal problems etc). Spoiled kids' parents usually are a huge part of the problem. Interestingly, very few of those spoiled rich kids cleaned up their act, ever- most were washed out after I got canned......
-One of those rich parents accused me of stealing his kid's smartphone...
-I only got kicked out of 3 of about 250 matches as a coach, all for chewing out the refs: 2 for the game being too violent across a long period of time, and 1 for spectacular incompetence (like, no offside being called at all, at a U14 tourney).

I'm sure I have more crazy ref stories, because everyone shits on you, even if you're competent at it. At lower levels, even the ref admins shit on their own refs, because at that level they're often the weirdos who 'administrate' better than they ref.
A few police tourney games got out of hand, including the one I mentioned, and the CR was a ref who administrates and had a high license/badge in all of those games.
(Two skills that rarely get talked about by anyone for refereeing amateur soccer are 'knowing the match temperature' and 'managing the crowd'. And they're both pretty fucking hard)
-I've known 2, 3, 4 refs with badges above mine break just about every match they reffed as CR. I mean, they were just born to ruin matches. I've known plenty of competent low-badge refs. It's like the training and experience help, but the correlation is nowhere near 99%.
-I missed a deliberate elbow to the mouth with intent to injure once, right in front of me, probably because it was a regular season U10 girls game, and I just wasn't looking for that shit. Sometimes, calls like 5 feet in front of you can actually be harder to make than 50 feet away.
-I've gone to ref a few youth matches where the lousy pitch had multiple ankle-breaking holes in it- like just perfect 4-8 inch deep holes, and the kids were 11-16, old enough to break an ankle under their own weight.
So anyway, there are always a bunch of people there. You would not fucking believe how hard it is to get volunteers to help fill in the holes. People react to it so strangely, like you're just making up a thing for no reason. You wind up having to insist, or there will be no game, and then they already hate you, and the match hasn't even started yet.
......which reminds me of: I've reffed a few games where the coach and/or the players just woke up angry that day. We've never seen each other before, 100% sure, and they're just furiously fucking mad. One time a team of U16 boys all simultaneously spit when I walked up. Hah. How long did they practice that, I wonder?

I suppose that I've had some pretty spectacular ejections of players, coaches, spectators, etc. (things changed along the way, and now you make the coaches control their own spectators. If the coach won't, you eject the coach, and if the spectators are still a problem you just stop the match). I always had a mind for the overall temperature of the game and crowd, and I refused to let anything end with police or ambulance. So that meant that, setting aside low level/little kids, I carded for anything that a pro would get carded for, and I ejected adults for being inappropriate. That sounds obvious, but you wouldn't believe how that gets lost in youth soccer. It's unbelievable.
-Here's how you know a dumb coach: he's up a goal and a player, about halfway through the game (other team had 1 player ejected). He doesn't like a throw-in call made right in front of him, probably because he saw the ball brush off of the other team and go out, in a scrum of players, while the refs did not see this. He brings it up repeatedly, throwing several fits, even minutes later, about that throw-in call, until the ref ejects him. DUMB. This is the definition of amateur coach: someone who gets ejected for a throw-in call.
-People generally do not know that it is physically possible for a shot to hit the crossbar, cross the line completely, strike the ground inside the goal and come flying out because of the spin from when it hit the crossbar. They just refuse to accept that that's a thing that can happen on earth. That causes a lot of shit-shows.
-I've also been called racist because I will not allow opposing parents to call kid-players bad words in Spanish. Figure that one out for me...
I think they know they're being disingenuous, but just love mucking about.
-I nearly dismissed one of my own refs for swearing at a kid once. The kid was a 9th grader or so, and more or less deserved it, but I always take the high road when I ref and I just thought it was a stupid thing for him to do.

hamsamwich
Post #21
Thursday September 17, 2015 1:52pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,107
@live490-- I used to be that way. The nice part about flights to Europe is they are usually overnight. See if you can get one direct, and then show up early and get drunk in the airport bar. Then wean yourself off just before boarding time. Finally, pass out in your seat and wake up on France at Charles d Gaulle airport. From there a train will take you where you need to go. I suggest maker's mark or scotch.

db707
Post #22
Thursday September 17, 2015 2:46pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 923
hamsamwich, I assume you won't be giving me the same advice! Somewhat off topic but the train network in this country is an absolute joke as a whole compared to Europe (and I've been to almost every European country).

mmee, I refereed briefly myself; always dismayed me how furious some parents would get over whether a shot crossed the line in a game of 8 year olds. I had one parent accuse me of being bought off by the other team (his kid's team lost 6-0 I think). So many parents who needed to get a grip. Only reason to get angry is if someone hurts your kid or is bullying him or her.

Live490
Texas
Post #23
Thursday September 17, 2015 7:09pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,169
Lol thanks Hamm, i have never thought of that. I dont drink at all so i probably would not need much.

dolcem
Post #24
Friday September 18, 2015 6:56am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from mmee

I wish I could. It didn't blow up into a thing where the press have a record of it.



You said you wrote about it on here, post the link to that thread.
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #25
Friday September 18, 2015 10:03am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Original post from dolcem

You said you wrote about it on here, post the link to that thread.


Bah, there's not much else to tell, and I have no idea where I mentioned it. (and we certainly don't have user histories or search commands here). I'll give you the full details and you can put it on your other site. Give me Y/A "mmee" cred if you want.

***

Charity tournament hosted by Chivas USA. I think 8 teams? police, fire, sheriff, corrections departments.
All from southern California except NYPD. (it was not NYPD on the problem day, but I did CR them 1-2 times and boy were they funny/annoying... like you call a foul on them and they give you some ridiculous lip like "Who ahh you?? Who gave you dat shirt??" and you just give 'em a wink)
The average match during that tourney got pretty hot. They're squads that depend on each other to stay alive. It was basically going to get as hot as the refs would let them get. (unsurprisingly, LA fire and the other fire dept were cool customers- pun intended)

I was on the line for the game that boiled over. It happened because of general game temperature and words, not because of any real 'intent to injure' play. The CR let some words go that I thought were not smart to let go (faggot, etc). I remember immediately thinking 'red card', but the CR heard it for sure, so there was no reason for me to get his attention. So, after a scoring chance, later in the game, with a lot of boiling tempers and other words said, there was a bit of a foul after the shot and that just immediately turned into a melee. Not everyone was throwing punches in the melee, but more than 2 were. They stopped it themselves after about a minute. We 3 refs couldn't do anything to cool it down even a little; we were hilariously useless. I was the far AR when it happened, and I remember dropping my flag and just booking it over there, but I may as well have just gotten some water. Someone in the stands called the local PD. Maybe multiple people did. It could have been someone from the soccer complex or even a spectator for one of the teams. Local PD showed up, and really that was it. There was no bullshit once local PD showed up. I stuck around uselessly for a while, but I'm pretty sure we terminated the match.

I will also say that one of those departments was very cool to me (after the match) even though I called a PK against them on a foul in like the 85th minute that was not a 100% foul. It was one of those could-be but doesn't have-to-be calls.
They weren't all bad apples.

***

Warning: tooting my own horn:
The day before the above incident, I was CR on a match for that same tourney, and I ejected someone for a threat that I heard. I'm pretty sure that's the standard response in the USSF advice to refs (which is a document that changes sometimes), but even if it wasn't, it was the common sense move to my mind. It was a semi-veiled threat, but it wasn't even something that could have been interpreted as "Oh yeah?!! We're gonna score on you even more!!". It was a definite threat. I straight ejected him and I got some guff, of course, but I told his guys that I believed him... he said he was going to wreck someone and I cut him off at the pass. No police, no ambulance had to come. EOS

I'm a bit of a quiet 'hanging judge' ref compared to other low-level refs, compared to others who warn a ton and rarely card. They start to look like they're talking so much that they've cast themselves in the starring role, yet they don't recognize an elbow when they see it......
Yeah, you don't want to spoil a match by over-carding, but if somebody does a scissors tackle or goes in with an elbow to the mouth on a header or denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, etc etc, it doesn't matter if it's the first minute or the ninetieth. In a sense, your decision is simple in those situations.

So, on the one hand, you want to do what all other referees do, to make sure the typical refereeing decision holds as something that teams can expect and rely on. On the other hand, you wind up doing some weird games sometimes, and I'd rather apply common sense even if it means I step out onto a skinny branch every now and then. Sometimes that means if it's 6-0 at halftime, you check in and make sure everybody's good to play a game still, and isn't going to go nuclear. Other times that means that if you tell a coach at an amateur match that it is his job to control his sideline, because they're doing and saying bad stuff, and he yells "NO IT'S NOT!" at the top of his lungs, you just eject him right then, so he can't keep turning up the temperature of everyone there. Sometimes giving someone too many chances is exactly where the police and ambulances come from.......

stone88
Post #26
Friday September 18, 2015 9:33pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Craziest soccer experience? Whelp, a kid died in one of my high school soccer games once. It's perhaps the worst thing I've ever seen. It was the second to last game of the season in my sophmore year and my team had qualified for the district tournament the week before (we were pretty good).

Anyway, halfway through the first half one of our defenders booted a long ball over their backline and into their box. Our center forward was running hard onto the ball while their keeper was charging out to get to it. Neither, of them were really paying attention to the other, both had their eyes on the ball in the air. Just before the ball reached the ground they collided really hard into each other.

My buddy, the center forward, got up and looked really whoozy, but the other teams keeper just laid on the ground not moving. After a few seconds everyone noticed he wasn't getting up and some of the other teams players started freaking out yelling for their coach. Then chaos ensued. Players started running over to the sideline yelling and crying that he wasn't breathing. Both team coaches ran out to the kid while the ref ran over to the stands telling some of the parents to call 911. One of the other teams coaches started performing CPR on him. People were running around everywhere. Parents running out to the scene on the field, other parents escorting players off the field.

EMT's were stationed at the high school for after school activities, and they drove in and started shockin him with the paddles while everyone just stood around watching and crying. The EMT's put him into the ambulance and rushed him to the hospital. My friend who collided with him nearly had a mental break down after the game.

It turned out that he took a serious enough and extremely rare blow to the chest in the collision that stopped his heart, and the EMT's couldn't get it started again. For several weeks after, my entire team had to talk to school grief counselors.

skangles
DC
Post #27
Saturday September 19, 2015 1:13am

Joined Jan 2013
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Stone that is one of the most horrifying stories I've ever heard.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #28
Saturday September 19, 2015 1:44am

Joined Mar 2014
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Yeah, damn.

coverby
Post #29
Saturday September 19, 2015 9:04am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 501
Original post from mmee

-I've known 2, 3, 4 refs with badges above mine break just about every match they reffed as CR. I mean, they were just born to ruin matches. I've known plenty of competent low-badge refs. It's like the training and experience help, but the correlation is nowhere near 99%.



What do you mean by 2 refs? Their grade or how many there are?

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #30
Saturday September 19, 2015 10:21am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
No I just meant that I knew a handful of refs who, despite decent credentials, seemed to break matches a lot.

It's like you need the training and experience, but some people just can't do it even when they've had all that. Maybe they didn't play enough growing up, or maybe they just have some instinct that leads them to make controversial calls. I don't know. Refereeing ain't easy.

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