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Post #91
Saturday February 13, 2016 6:38am

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I recently was in Italy for two weeks and went to two Serie A matches: A Palermo match and a Roma match. I got seats at Palermo's stadium about 12 rows from the field on the sideline mid-pitch for 30 euro and I sat in 4 rows from the field behind the goal in the Curva Nord at Stadio Olimpico for 35 euro for the Roma match. The atmosphere for the Palermo match was much better as Sicilians are very prideful. The Roma match atmosphere was disappointing, the stadium was less than half full (73,000 capacity), Stadio Olimpico is an older stadium and was re-done for the 1990 World Cup but it would probably be comparable to RFK Stadium but maybe in slightly better condition.

This was my first time experiencing a live match in Europe but I would say going to many Red Bulls games at RBA, the atmosphere is not as good as Palermo's(Palermo's ultras are legit and passionate, they had two sets of large supporters groups) and much better than the Roma match(apparently the Roma ultras only show up for the big matches against clubs like Lazio, Inter, Juve, etc...they happened to play Frosinone, who were far more vocal than the home team, Roma). Now the quality of the play is a different story. Serie A is clearly on a different and better level than MLS.

But from this experience I would say MLS isn't far behind in terms of the atmosphere. The one major difference is the casual fan in an MLS stadium only knows the generic chants like 'Let's Go Red Bulls' but in the matches I went to in Italy the casual fan was chanting with the ultras or the hardcore supporters for most of their songs.
Then again I think the Red Bulls supporter groups are some of the best in the MLS. I cannot say the same for clubs like Colorado, Dallas, Houston as their games sound dry on tv. Maybe I am wrong.

I always thought before matches at MLS matches, supporters groups should pass out their chant lyrics and I think it would kind of help the casual fan get involved in the atmosphere and eventual over time they will know the songs by heart. I do not know how practical that is but it would be great for an entire stadium to sing their lungs out for majority of the match or just know certain major club songs.

coverby
Post #92
Saturday February 13, 2016 6:40am

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from cleancutimage

I always thought before matches at MLS matches, supporters groups should pass out their chant lyrics and I think it would kind of help the casual fan get involved in the atmosphere and eventual over time they will know the songs by heart. I do not know how practical that is but it would be great for an entire stadium to sing their lungs out for majority of the match or just know certain major club songs.


NYFC got made fun of for this.

Dave
Post #93
Saturday February 13, 2016 6:51am

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Original post from cleancutimage

I always thought before matches at MLS matches, supporters groups should pass out their chant lyrics and I think it would kind of help the casual fan get involved in the atmosphere and eventual over time they will know the songs by heart. I do not know how practical that is but it would be great for an entire stadium to sing their lungs out for majority of the match or just know certain major club songs.


Simple solution would be to post lyrics & a vidio to the one of the facebook page(s) associated to the supporter group(s) and/or the club. Then at least people would have a chance to view/hear/learn chants before attending matches.

hamsamwich
Post #94
Saturday February 13, 2016 9:06am

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Original post from skangles

Ham, you'll be one of like eight people in the crowd for that Fire at Rapids game.
Can I claim the coach hears my BS from the crowd then??? Seriously though, I'm going to be as "pro-MLS" as I can this upcoming year. Paunovic and his FC Dallas-style project has me excited... A team with at least three real Chicagoans on it minimum? Represent and play some real soccer. Should be fun. Team previews in like 2 weeks guys...

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Post #95
Saturday February 13, 2016 1:13pm

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Original post from coverby

NYFC got made fun of for this.


It is kind of juvenile but if the intended outcome works then you have a stadium full of people sounding like an orchestra is a beautiful thing.

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Post #96
Saturday February 13, 2016 1:14pm

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Original post from Dave

Simple solution would be to post lyrics & a vidio to the one of the facebook page(s) associated to the supporter group(s) and/or the club. Then at least people would have a chance to view/hear/learn chants before attending matches.


That's a good idea, a lot of European clubs do this. I totally forgot about this. My only issue is how many casual fans will visit the site but this is a great idea as well.

hamsamwich
Post #97
Saturday February 13, 2016 4:53pm

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F*** me, we've traded Harry Shipp to Montreal.... The rebuild takes a new twist.

skangles
DC
Post #98
Saturday February 13, 2016 8:13pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

F*** me, we've traded Harry Shipp to Montreal.... The rebuild takes a new twist.


I rate Shipp higher than most so of course I see this as a horrible trade but even if I try to take a step back and remove some of my bias I can't get beyond the position of "What the hell is Chicago doing?"

hamsamwich
Post #99
Saturday February 13, 2016 10:16pm

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Lots of MLS funny money-- unless there is a secret plan, this is exactly why fans hate Hauptmann and his holding group. Ridiculous. Harry accommodated the team the last few years and played out of position. I think we see good things in Montreal. Rumors are of a real #10 coming to town. But there is definite fan backlash over what is so far, one of the only things to go bad this offseason. Nyarko was leaving that was understood, fans hated the Joevin Jones trade on draft day for more money, and now this for even more money...

coverby
Post #100
Saturday February 13, 2016 10:26pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from cleancutimage

It is kind of juvenile but if the intended outcome works then you have a stadium full of people sounding like an orchestra is a beautiful thing.


I agree with you it's just that they were given a hard time about this by not just Eurosnobs but also MLS fans. I thought it was a good idea since it's a very new club.

English teams tend to be pretty creative with their chants:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsbg9NiMRzk (Yaya Toure song)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7A8XvTgjz0 (Arsene's Magic Hat)

I'm surprised there aren't better chants for MLS clubs. I can't imagine that there aren't writers, musicians, poets, comedians that could come up with something better than this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG-jMjvnua8 (Fight and Win by Seattle Sounders)

Or LA....Galaxy between the Angel City Brigade and the LA Riot Squad

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Post #101
Saturday February 13, 2016 10:48pm

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I agree that NYCFC had to do something like that. How else is the casual fan going to learn the chants in just 17 home matches??? They should be applauded for trying to get all their fans involved.

Ouch at the dislikes on that Sounders video. I must admit as a Sounders fan that was very weak and absolutely no creativity.

From the MLS culture I have seen it is a mix of Latin America and European chants depending on the supporter group. Personally I think the German atmosphere is the best, followed by the English.

MLS clubs have taken this chant but this is probably my favorite video. St. Pauli, a clut club but they are well respected for their atmosphere, would love to see them in the 1. Bundesliga soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECt4GRWb68

That might be a couple hundred people but when everything is synchronized and the fans are passionate, it sounds like heaven.

TheTruth
Post #102
Sunday February 14, 2016 3:40pm

Joined Dec 2013
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Good report. Just to calibrate, attendance at Italian games is pretty low and timid by European standards, right?

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Post #103
Sunday February 14, 2016 4:27pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Yeah, I don't know what it is because it is not very expensive in my eyes but then again I was staying in Catania for two weeks and the clerk at the front desk said the average person makes 250 euro per week. So if that is true for the rest of Italy, a decent ticket is 10% of the average persons pay check. But depending on the club, I have seen seats as low as 10 euro.

I think a lot of it has to do with the point shaving scandals and poor club management as well. Clubs with the history of AC Milan, Juve & Napoli have less fans per home match than the Sounders.

The average attendance this season for Serie A is over 22,000 which is crap for a league with so much history. That would be appalling in England and Germany. That's why the Italian league is so down, not much big money or interests in the league.

unitedfc6
Post #104
Monday February 15, 2016 8:10pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 107
Juventus' attendance is understandable because their stadium only seats 41,000, but for teams like Napoli and the Milan teams only filling up half their stadium is crazy to me.

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Post #105
Tuesday February 16, 2016 3:52am

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Even when Juve was ar Delle Appi, they were averaging less than half of the stadium size. A lot of that was due to poor visibility in a lot of the stadium but still.

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