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snipes87
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Post #106
Wednesday September 14, 2016 4:34pm

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The problem, I see, is if Sunderland continue to lose and there are lineup changes. He's usually the first to get subbed off so that doesn't bode well if the manager looks to try to find better combinations. He needs to start showing something other than good positional play and hustling.
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Post #107
Wednesday September 14, 2016 5:00pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,197
Original post from snipes87

The problem, I see, is if Sunderland continue to lose and there are lineup changes. He's usually the first to get subbed off so that doesn't bode well if the manager looks to try to find better combinations. He needs to start showing something other than good positional play and hustling.


Exactly, what I have been saying. If he starts to bang in a few goals then he is no longer the first guy subbed off and he becomes a 90 minute guy. Right now, he needs to find his inner Pulisic.

northstream
Post #108
Wednesday September 14, 2016 5:01pm

Joined Jun 2016
Total Posts: 44
He's 20 so I'm ok with him starting and going 60 versus the alternative. He's still learning. I'm just happy he's starting every game for them and showing better than most of their other players.

Dave
Post #109
Thursday September 15, 2016 3:40am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 798
Original post from Rey Regicide

He's got skills that Bedoya doesn't have, or doesn't express enough.. unfortunately for Bedoya.

I'm ESTATIC by Gooch, is he the new Dempsey, someone that really wasn't on the radar until he became a professional?


Gooch was maybe a little slower in his development than some of his age bracket piers (Rubin, Hyndman, Zelalem, Canouse, Tall, Green, etc...). Not sure if it put a chip on his shoulder, but when he was left off the U-20 WC squad he buckled down and began rising through Sunderland's youth teams fairly quickly.
He's still a young prospect (20), so their are bound to be ups & downs, but he seems to have a fighters' spirit. If given a chance and people are patient with him I think he'll do well for club & country.

northstream
Post #110
Saturday April 29, 2017 8:13pm

Joined Jun 2016
Total Posts: 44
Gooch made the 18 today (didn't play) in Sunderland's loss vs Bournemouth. Maybe now since they're already relegated he'll see some time in the remaining 4 PL matches if they play their younger players who will be returning.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #111
Sunday April 30, 2017 4:19am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 2,945
Hope he does. I dont think his early minutes with Sunderland were a fluke. Hes a good prospect. Hope he can get some games before the season ends.

I think the Championship will be good for him. Or he could get transferred.

northstream
Post #112
Tuesday August 22, 2017 9:29pm

Joined Jun 2016
Total Posts: 44
Started EFL Cup match vs Carlisle Utd (league 1 tier below Sunderland I believe) and had assist on their 1st goal and seems to have scored their 2nd. If score holds it'd be the GWG.

Rey Regicide
Post #113
Wednesday August 23, 2017 1:03pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
Original post from Dave

Gooch was maybe a little slower in his development than some of his age bracket piers (Rubin, Hyndman, Zelalem, Canouse, Tall, Green, etc...). Not sure if it put a chip on his shoulder, but when he was left off the U-20 WC squad he buckled down and began rising through Sunderland's youth teams fairly quickly.
He's still a young prospect (20), so their are bound to be ups & downs, but he seems to have a fighters' spirit. If given a chance and people are patient with him I think he'll do well for club & country.


Oh wow forgot this happened.

but yea see Gooch wasn't heralded as a prospect.

Mckennie is literally being given keys and if Schalke send away Goretzka it's sink or swim time.

But back to Gooch... I would prefer him over Arriola to be honest. If he gets marginalized and moved onto the wing.

northstream
Post #114
Sunday September 24, 2017 7:13pm

Joined Jun 2016
Total Posts: 44
Gooch started and played the full 90 yesterday in Sunderland's 2-1 loss to Cardiff City and scored their goal from the spot after drawing the PK. Seems he had a lively game.

MSantoine
Post #115
Tuesday September 26, 2017 3:39pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
He needs to perform like how yedlin did last year. He has to be one of the best players for Sunderland week in and week out. That's what needs to happen if he realistically should be a us national team member.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #116
Tuesday September 26, 2017 8:06pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,334
Original post from Rey Regicide

Oh wow forgot this happened.

but yea see Gooch wasn't heralded as a prospect.

Mckennie is literally being given keys and if Schalke send away Goretzka it's sink or swim time.

But back to Gooch... I would prefer him over Arriola to be honest. If he gets marginalized and moved onto the wing.


Why would you prefer him to Arriola? Why can't they both be on the team? Arriola has been really good for D.C. united.

Rey Regicide
Post #117
Tuesday September 26, 2017 8:48pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
Original post from 2tone

Why would you prefer him to Arriola? Why can't they both be on the team? Arriola has been really good for D.C. united.


That's more than fair. I think the best thing ot say is I would prefer those guys over Zardes, Bedoya etc.

I think Arriola has done the majority of what the coaches have asked him to do for our teams. The only thing is he's a tad bit predictable, in terms of how he's going to attack. That isn't a bad thing as it allows our forwards to accommodate their space. For example when you put nagbe out there, he' snot trying repeatedly to get to the end line, he's trying to out-do his defender. When he does, it's not necessarily in the place to deliver a cross, or to do a through pass. He more than not gets into a position that's threatening through deft moves, but has to find someone with better vision and the play in front of them to make the killer move.

With Arriola, as a forward you can always assume that he's going to try to get you in a cross or through ball because he's ALWAYS trying to reach the endline.

I feel Gooch, from what I remember and what I saw, is a better balance of both mindsets. I prefer Gooch's technique, which limits Arriola's creativity I feel.

Rey Regicide
Post #118
Tuesday September 26, 2017 8:50pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
Here's another guy who I love, and I feel might be Arriola's superior. Brooks Lennon. I feel his technique is better than Arriola's probably better than Gooch's and is definitely someone who's trying to beat you athletically with speed.

The thing about Arriola that I love the best is that guy runs runs runs and runs down the defender with the ball. He puts in an insane amount of work.

That is an incredible plus.

Dave
Post #119
Wednesday September 27, 2017 1:16am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 798
Original post from Rey Regicide

Here's another guy who I love, and I feel might be Arriola's superior. Brooks Lennon. I feel his technique is better than Arriola's probably better than Gooch's and is definitely someone who's trying to beat you athletically with speed.

The thing about Arriola that I love the best is that guy runs runs runs and runs down the defender with the ball. He puts in an insane amount of work.

That is an incredible plus.


Before his injuries last season, Gooch was the definition of a hounding midfielder. He showed a willingness to both run at defenders and run down opponents when they had possession. What I remember best about his play was his ability to play gritty defense (getting stuck in) while also being technical in attack.

An attack including Pulisic, Wood, Jozy, Morris, Dempsey, Arriola, Gooch, Saief, & Nagbe (alternates: Green, Zardes, Wright) would be my selections. This would give us a versatile attack that would allow for player rotation/depth.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #120
Wednesday September 27, 2017 11:59pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
Dave, I agree, but not with your choice of alternates.
Let's not forget that Lletget could be a part of the attack in certain formations, and that there are even other MLSers who should be able to beat out 2017 Green and Zardes, however you want to play them.
Now if you could combine Green with Zardes' never-quit mindset and athleticism somehow, we'd have a player.

I don't know enough about Wright to chime in, but it looks like he's in the 2Bundesliga, and has played 6 of 8 matches this season, with 1 goal, so that sounds not bad but not great.

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