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Post #91
Tuesday September 13, 2016 3:08am

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Original post from cleancutimage

Admsghs27 is the type of guy to say something like 'but Landon Donovan was better than Messi in 2002' to try to win an argument.
#LegenD

admsghs27
Post #92
Tuesday September 13, 2016 3:32am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from cleancutimage

Admsghs27 is the type of guy to say something like 'but Landon Donovan was better than Messi in 2002' to try to win an argument.

And your the type of guy that will say jurgen is better than guardiola. And by the way donovan was better cause messi wasn't a pro in 2002

dunlopp9987
Post #93
Tuesday September 13, 2016 3:52am

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from admsghs27

And your the type of guy that will say jurgen is better than guardiola. And by the way donovan was better cause messi wasn't a pro in 2002


Adms must be 4'10" because that one went right over his head.
COYB!!
admsghs27
Post #94
Tuesday September 13, 2016 4:41am

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Original post from dunlopp9987

Adms must be 4'10" because that one went right over his head.

And you must be 8' cause you didn't see it right under your nose.

dunlopp9987
Post #95
Tuesday September 13, 2016 4:43am

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from admsghs27

And you must be 8' cause you didn't see it right under your nose.


Post of the year.
COYB!!
admsghs27
Post #96
Tuesday September 13, 2016 5:04am

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Original post from dunlopp9987

Post of the year.

Thank you. You still have the best post in YA History. I'm so jealous of you.

cleancutimage
Post #97
Tuesday September 13, 2016 11:10am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,176
I think the next move in Gooch's career is that he needs to become more of a goal scoring threat. That alone makes him easy to take off the field, he doesn't look like a much a goal threat in the final third. I think once he gets a few shots on goal, makes some threatening runs, maybe a goal...he will be harder to take off the field.

Rey Regicide
Post #98
Tuesday September 13, 2016 12:16pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,768
What's been the count, in terms of games played at a certain position?

He's played at CAM this last game vs Everton.. did it matter much that as soon as he was subbed off the team went down 3 goals LOL. I didn't watch the whole game, raced home hoping to see him play then saw that he wasn't on after seeing the starting lineup. I was afraid he might have crapped the bed, but then read the timeline.

That's a good sign right? For gooch specifically?

cleancutimage
Post #99
Tuesday September 13, 2016 2:13pm

Joined Oct 2013
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The problem with Sunderland is Defoe is so isolated up top. There is no other player who is a threat to score a goal other than Januzaj. They are going to have to rely heavily off set pieces. Watmore tried his best to do something in the final third but since no one else was making runs into the box, he would get picked off by 2-3 guys every time.

As for Gooch getting subbed off and then Everton exploding, I think it was more so Sunderland putting a more attacking player in for Gooch and going for it and Everton hitting back on the counter than Gooch's stamp on the game. I will say, Gooch did provide better defensive cover than the guy who replaced him, so maybe but for the most part it was Sunderland being left exposed from trying to go for it and Everton hitting them on the counter.

Rey Regicide
Post #100
Tuesday September 13, 2016 2:21pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Original post from cleancutimage

The problem with Sunderland is Defoe is so isolated up top. There is no other player who is a threat to score a goal other than Januzaj. They are going to have to rely heavily off set pieces. Watmore tried his best to do something in the final third but since no one else was making runs into the box, he would get picked off by 2-3 guys every time.

As for Gooch getting subbed off and then Everton exploding, I think it was more so Sunderland putting a more attacking player in for Gooch and going for it and Everton hitting back on the counter than Gooch's stamp on the game. I will say, Gooch did provide better defensive cover than the guy who replaced him, so maybe but for the most part it was Sunderland being left exposed from trying to go for it and Everton hitting them on the counter.


Hey man thanks!

If this is true, then I feel great about our USMNT, allowing myself to get ahead of myself and just sound reason

Pulisic and Gooch do NOT look like slouches. They work wokr wokr wokr work.

And if they retain what they have in terms of attacking talent, then guys like Zelalem, Perez, or any other creative mid doesn't have to bear the work rate all by themselves. Like we can afford to have an Ozil like worker (shoot even Dempsey) and we'll be alright with those two youngins.

johnvuke
Dallas
Post #101
Tuesday September 13, 2016 3:02pm

Joined Aug 2016
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I missed this last game, but the other Sunderland games don't overly inspire me. Gooch is a worker, and he hustles, but as a CAM or a winger, I don't know yet. He's not a goal threat, and I haven't seen a lot of really good or threatening passes. As a winger, I haven't seen many good threatening crosses.

I have seen several really solid midfield tackles, and he's fearless as far as running at guys, so maybe more of a CDM or a box to box guy. Plus, he seems to be very smart from a positional sense. I wonder how much of that is Moyes versus Gooch just being more defensive minded, but he does stay back...alot.

cleancutimage
Post #102
Tuesday September 13, 2016 3:03pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Yeah between Puli and Gooch, Puli is by far a better attacking threat than Gooch but I would say Gooch work rate is a bit better. Granted, Gooch was constantly open on the wings and they couldn't get the ball to him. Everything Sunderland wanted to do was straight down the middle, very little going on the wings. Gooch is a true winger at this point in his career. Puli more of a LAM. Different type of players but I would like to see Gooch become more of a LAM eventually since you can never have too many of those especially in our national team.

Dave
Post #103
Tuesday September 13, 2016 8:14pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 690
IMO Gooch has been one of the few bright spots for Sunderland to start the season. He's shown that he's got a high motor, a huge amount of determination/grit, an ability to pick out good passes for his teammates, and a desire to take on opponents. If his teammates at Sunderland were of a higher quality I think his play would be more on display. Yes he needs to become more of a goal scoring threat, but that's had to do at Sunderland when you don't have possession.
I think he could slot into the US line-up as either a central midfielder (with more leave to attack) or on either wing. He seems to have the defensive work rate of Bedoya while being more proactive when in possession. I think if we were to play a 4-1-3-2 he'd be an excellent addition. Imagine a trio of Pulisic, Nagbe, Gooch weaving in and out with Jozy & Wood making runs to stretch the defense and/or Fabian & Yedlin (or Chandler) overlapping on the outside. This would be a line-up that would have speed & technical ability while still able to defend with grit.
If these kids (Gooch & Pulisic) keep progressing I see them forcing a number of the more established/experienced players out of the Starting XI beginning in 2017.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #104
Wednesday September 14, 2016 2:50am

Joined Jul 2012
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It's just good to see Gooch emerging. More talented options means a deeper talented USMNT.

Rey Regicide
Post #105
Wednesday September 14, 2016 12:19pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,768
He's got skills that Bedoya doesn't have, or doesn't express enough.. unfortunately for Bedoya.

I'm ESTATIC by Gooch, is he the new Dempsey, someone that really wasn't on the radar until he became a professional?

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