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skangles
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Post #46
Thursday December 3, 2015 2:59am

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^^ I would be really surprised if we didn't see guys like Trapp, Gil, Serna, Alashe, Polster, Miller, Okwuonu and Shelton at Camp Cupcake. I think several of those guys are a shoo-in to make the camp. Heck U-20 guys like Acosta, Jamieson and Thompson might even get another look.

MSantoine
Post #47
Thursday December 3, 2015 1:29pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from skangles

^^ I would be really surprised if we didn't see guys like Trapp, Gil, Serna, Alashe, Polster, Miller, Okwuonu and Shelton at Camp Cupcake. I think several of those guys are a shoo-in to make the camp. Heck U-20 guys like Acosta, Jamieson and Thompson might even get another look.


Is Jamieson healthy? I hadnt heard much from him since the U20 world cup when he got hurt. Did he play at all the end of the year for Galaxy? For LA II?

TheTruth
Post #48
Thursday December 3, 2015 11:41pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
What the fuck do I know, but I assume that w/ Copa America coming up this will be a serious camp.

Jzaval01
Post #49
Friday December 4, 2015 2:00am

Joined May 2013
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last article on him
http://www.lagalaxy.com/post/2015/10/15/bradf...

skangles
DC
Post #50
Friday December 4, 2015 4:58am

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Fair enough on Jamieson, I was just thinking of guys on the U20s that we haven't yet seen with the U23s.

In any event, I feel like Boyd Okwuonu is going to make this camp and there are going to be all kinds of overly-emotional rants on here.

rainORshine
Post #51
Sunday February 28, 2016 11:05pm

Joined Dec 2012
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spring 16 update. this should be short list b/t now and Copa America.

im going to back off a bit on 3-5-2 for now, for a couple reasons:
- at moment both yedlin and bedoya are more deserving starters than nagbe
- JK shows no interest in a 3-5-2

(2016 player pool/STARTERS (4-4-2))
CB - besler, BROOKS, CAMERON, gonzo, hedges, miazga

OB/W - BEDOYA, bornstein, castillo, finlay, JOHNSON, lichaj, VILLAFANA, YEDLIN

CM - BRADLEY, kitchen, mccarty, morales, tchani, trapp, WILLIAMS

AM - feilhaber, kljestan, nagbe, nyugen, pulisic

F - agudelo, altidore, DEMPSEY, WOOD, zardes

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #52
Monday February 29, 2016 12:05am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,452
Original post from rainORshine

spring 16 update. this should be short list b/t now and Copa America.

im going to back off a bit on 3-5-2 for now, for a couple reasons:
- at moment both yedlin and bedoya are more deserving starters than nagbe
- JK shows no interest in a 3-5-2

(2016 player pool/STARTERS (4-4-2))
CB - besler, BROOKS, CAMERON, gonzo, hedges, miazga

OB/W - BEDOYA, bornstein, castillo, finlay, JOHNSON, lichaj, VILLAFANA, YEDLIN

CM - BRADLEY, kitchen, mccarty, morales, tchani, trapp, WILLIAMS

AM - feilhaber, kljestan, nagbe, nyugen, pulisic

F - agudelo, altidore, DEMPSEY, WOOD, zardes


Birnbaum is clearly ahead of Hedges.

Feilhaber and Kljestan are done for the USMNT. Just stop including them already.

I have no interest in a 3-5-2 as well.

rainORshine
Post #53
Monday February 29, 2016 12:34am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from 2tone

Birnbaum is clearly ahead of Hedges.

Feilhaber and Kljestan are done for the USMNT. Just stop including them already.

I have no interest in a 3-5-2 as well.


"clearly ahead"? according to whom? JK? you? hedges was defender of year finalist last season - something birnbaum has yet to accomplish. ill take hedges

why would two of the best creative attackers in the pool be "done"? because JK does not like using his most talented players?

why would anyone have no interest in a 3-5-2?

having a bad day? or just being an asshole?

hamsamwich
Post #54
Monday February 29, 2016 12:46am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
There's absolutely nothing wrong with comparing Birnbaum and Hedges. I think they would be a good partnership actually. We've gotten to the point where the depth is outstanding at CB spots. Players like Omar Gonzalez can't even get a callup let alone a bench spot. USA looking good moving forward. For a list of 10 defenders out of 33, say 5 or 6 are CBs, I'm not sure either Hedges or Birnbaum make the list ahead of Brooks, Besler, Cameron, Gonzalez and Miazga. If JK did a 33 man list and took 6 cbs, this could be the choice. Or would he go younger with an EPB or CCV? Good problem for Jürgen to have overall.

hamsamwich
Post #55
Monday February 29, 2016 12:51am

Joined Oct 2013
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Also, Bedoya is never an outside back. His all around ability, work and team ethic are why he is ahead of players like Benny and Sasha. The way it is. I'd like to see Brek Shea but this isn't the "old days". We have a player pool now and so some players will get left behind. If Jürgen changed his system all around and used a #10, I'd say most fans and posters here would rather see Pulisic be given a chance rather than going with the two former national team players you named who are actually at the ussf glue factory now.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #56
Monday February 29, 2016 1:40am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 893
Why is Feilhaber listed above? He's obviously done as pretty much stated by Jurgen and Benny going public about it.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #57
Monday February 29, 2016 3:50am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,452
Original post from rainORshine

"clearly ahead"? according to whom? JK? you? hedges was defender of year finalist last season - something birnbaum has yet to accomplish. ill take hedges

why would two of the best creative attackers in the pool be "done"? because JK does not like using his most talented players?

why would anyone have no interest in a 3-5-2?

having a bad day? or just being an asshole?


They're done because JK said they're done. Move on. JK is the coach and will be the coach through the cycle. Stop with the denial.

And two best creative attackers is an "opinion" not a fact. Neither have stood out when given the opportunity in the past under both Bradley and JK.

That's too bad you feel I was being an asshole. I was just countering your argument. Don't take it so personal.

camparkinson
Post #58
Monday February 29, 2016 4:23am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 334
Rain, don't post something if you are going to get hurt feelings if someone disagrees. Almost everything posted here is opinion you have yours and others have others. 2tone posted nothing offensive in his response...

You are free to keep waiving the flag for two players who Klinsy clearly has no interest in including in camps, but even you have to admit that's probably a silly thing to do unless you enjoy being disappointed that Klinsy isn't as smart as you are.

MSantoine
Post #59
Monday February 29, 2016 12:35pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from rainORshine

spring 16 update. this should be short list b/t now and Copa America.

im going to back off a bit on 3-5-2 for now, for a couple reasons:
- at moment both yedlin and bedoya are more deserving starters than nagbe
- JK shows no interest in a 3-5-2

(2016 player pool/STARTERS (4-4-2))
CB - besler, BROOKS, CAMERON, gonzo, hedges, miazga

OB/W - BEDOYA, bornstein, castillo, finlay, JOHNSON, lichaj, VILLAFANA, YEDLIN

CM - BRADLEY, kitchen, mccarty, morales, tchani, trapp, WILLIAMS

AM - feilhaber, kljestan, nagbe, nyugen, pulisic

F - agudelo, altidore, DEMPSEY, WOOD, zardes


Original post from rainORshine
"clearly ahead"? according to whom? JK? you? hedges was defender of year finalist last season - something birnbaum has yet to accomplish. ill take hedges

why would two of the best creative attackers in the pool be "done"? because JK does not like using his most talented players?

why would anyone have no interest in a 3-5-2?

having a bad day? or just being an asshole?


Figured Id combine both to make sure there was no misunderstandings since you like to take everything the wrong way.

Is your list what you WANT to see or who you think will get called in? You make it look like its who you think WILL get called in (see your first sentence). If that list was who you would pick if you were in charge (god help us all) then it should say something along the lines of who I'd pick for the COPA, not who should be there.

Its clear that Birnbaum is ahead of Hedges. How do we know this? Birnbaum was in the Jan camp and Hedges wasnt. Did Hedges turn it down? Well if h turned it down Jurgen probably will not call him again anytime soon. Maybe by the end of the year Hedges will pass him on the depth chart but its clear that Jurgen rates Birnbaum ahead of him at the moment.

Same as with midfield. How can you say that 4 guys who have zero caps in the last year should make up the midfield depth? Its clear that Jurgen doesnt rate them. THe real debate is more between guys like Arjo vs Zardes. Morales vs Williams vs Tchani. Pulisic vs some of the vets. Those are things worth debating. Listing guys who have a 0.00001% chance of making the Copa roster is just trolling.

db707
Post #60
Monday February 29, 2016 3:17pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,018
My issue was simply that Rain, you are putting guys you want to see in your 33, which is fine, it's your list, but then saying the formation JK wants matters in terms of who you include. Why would the formation JK wants matter, but the players he wants (or clearly doesn't want as is the case with Feilhaber) not matter? Either you should do a list where neither matters, or do a list where both are factored in. Mixing fantasy and reality doesn't make much sense to me.

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