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TheTruth
Post #31
Saturday April 16, 2016 12:25am

Joined Dec 2013
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You on drugs, son? Started your weekend early?

First of all, none of those keepers will ever be as good as Keller, Freidel, or Howard.

Yedlin maybe better than Cherundolo, but not the other 2.

Brooks has arrived, but the others have quite a way to go to get to Boca or Gooch level. Shit, they aren't even at Demerit level yet.

Your LBs? WTF? Acosta isn't an LB. I don't why everyone thinks he is. None of those 3 are anything yet. I wouldn't even confidently predict they'll be better than Bornstein or Beas.

hamsamwich
Post #32
Saturday April 16, 2016 2:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,408
@thetruth- those keepers can be better than the 3 you mentioned, at least better than Keller who shit the bed in '06. Never should've been ahead of Friedel in the first place. Horvath and Steffen have both impressed me in the small segments of time they've played. Staying healthy will get the CBs to Gooch level, and while he was a rock for USA (bocanegra, my #2 USA player off all time behind Beasley), Boca was never world class. The players of today on the whole are more technically sound and just as, if not more, athletic.

Dave
Post #33
Sunday April 17, 2016 7:03am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 638
@TheTruth - I was projecting where these young players will be 5 years from now. Look back 3 years ago and Brooks was barely on the radar as a starter for the Sr. National Team....A year ago Pulisic was barely known to exist. Now Brooks is major contributor for the #3 team in Germany and will likely be our #1 LCB at the 2018 WC. Pulisic is a contributor to the 2nd best team in Germany. These young players are going to be SCARY good once they mature a bit more and achieve the necessary experience.
They have all the tools to be extraordinary. They have all the physical skills (size & speed), their technical ability is miles above their predecessors, and most are in environments known for developing players. 5 yrs from now (barring injury) these players will be significantly better than most of those who were a part of the 2006 & 2010 USMNTs.
As long as they continue to develop and we have a Tactically sound coach for the USMNT we should have the players to really make a statement in 2022. We may not be a team that will win it all, but with the right draw we could get just as far as the 2002 team did.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #34
Monday April 18, 2016 1:22pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,304
I don't see any issues with what Dave put.
Horvath and Steffen absolutely can be better than those 3. Horvath is 20 starting in the Europa League and doing WELL. Steffen has looked very good in the youth international games he has played. Dave didn't even have Cropper on there either, he is still a good prospect. There is a good chance that come 5 years we could have 3 Goalkeepers starting in top 3 leagues (EPL, Bund, La Liga). That doesn't include Horton. And in terms of a starting XI all we need is ONE of them to be better. There is actually a pretty decent chance of that happening.

Yedlin, Brooks, CCV, Miazga, Olosunde ALL have the potential to be world Class. We don't even need all of them to be. Heck if 1 of the 5 hit world class level and 3 of the others hit just below that level (very good players but not world class) then they will be better. There is a decent chance of that happening too.
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Rey Regicide
Post #35
Monday April 18, 2016 1:25pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,637
I just don't see Brooks, CCV Miazga not being in our plans for the very near future as the USMNT and us not having them playing regularly somewhere in some capacity.

But then my hype machine is firing on all cylinders at the moment.

Rey Regicide
Post #36
Monday April 18, 2016 1:26pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,637
forget cylinders..

i have a hype reactor

with like hype rods and hype chambers...

nuclear baby!

yodaddy101
Post #37
Monday April 18, 2016 5:22pm

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 127
Ethan Horvath and Zack Steffen are going to be our future keepers idk which one will start though.

CCV and Miazga need to be the future CBs, the u20s literally never lost when they were on the field together. The only game they lost was in pks. We would have tied if there was no overtime.
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munns5986
Post #38
Monday April 18, 2016 5:28pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 259
Having those 2 is great but Brooks will definitely have something to say about that. I believe he is considered one of the better CBs in the Bundesliga this year.

Dave
Post #39
Monday April 18, 2016 6:00pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 638
Original post from munns5986

Having those 2 is great but Brooks will definitely have something to say about that. I believe he is considered one of the better CBs in the Bundesliga this year.


Brooks has a leg up and will likely be the preferred starting LCB. But who will be his RCB partner after Cameron is the question. With Cameron, Besler, & Gonzalez approaching their peak ages, they are not likely to be around much beyond the 2018 WC. Regardless, having multiple quality options for both CB spots will help push these guys to reach their full potential. Our current depth chart looks something along these lines....
LCB - Brooks, Besler, CCV, Alvarado, Redding
RCB - Cameron, Gonzalez, Miazga, Birnbaum, Alvarado, EPB

It should be fun to watch the battles as the younger guys develop over the next few years.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #40
Monday April 18, 2016 6:31pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,304
Dave,

After the last round of games I'd put RCB as: Cameron, Birnbaum, Gonzalez, Miazga
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munns5986
Post #41
Monday April 18, 2016 7:16pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 259
Original post from USAGunner

Dave,

After the last round of games I'd put RCB as: Cameron, Birnbaum, Gonzalez, Miazga


The only thing I disagree with is Gonzalez. I am in the camp he shouldn't be on the team anymore.

Know Nothing
Post #42
Monday April 18, 2016 8:09pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,006
Original post from yodaddy101

CCV and Miazga need to be the future CBs, the u20s literally never lost when they were on the field together. The only game they lost was in pks. We would have tied if there was no overtime.


CCV may end up being more valuable as a holding midfielder...he has lined up there numerous times for Spurs youth teams.

Dave
Post #43
Monday April 18, 2016 9:53pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 638
Original post from USAGunner

Dave,

After the last round of games I'd put RCB as: Cameron, Birnbaum, Gonzalez, Miazga


I don't necessarily disagree, but left him at #2 due to his positive reviews in the Mexican League. I really like Birnbaum, but his sample size is still fairly small to jump him into the backup role. Miazga has all the tools, but needs more experience. Hopefully he gets consistent playing time in the 2016-17 season...even if it's on loan.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #44
Monday April 18, 2016 9:58pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,304
Maybe Dave but his 2 performances in 2016 so far for the USMNT (Birnbaum) has been better than any performance Gonzalez has every put in for the USMNT...(maybe only slight hyperbole).
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Dave
Post #45
Monday April 18, 2016 10:46pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 638
I agree, USAGunner, that Birnbaum has performed well in his limited exposure. But he wasn't going against the best competition either. I've been impressed w/ him....but I'll reserve judgement until he's played against some slightly better opposition.

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