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Mojofc
Post #1
Wednesday July 15, 2015 6:18pm

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More clubs have joined the fight against MLS.

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/07/15/us...

Deserves it's own thread at this point.

Edit: really US Soccer and MLS vs Americas Youth Clubs.
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Spank
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Post #2
Wednesday July 15, 2015 6:35pm

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My question:

Are these pay-to-play youth clubs? If so, why do they deserve compensation when they've already been compensated? I don't see why they should make even more money off a player when they've already been paid for training a player. Maybe i'm missing something, if so, please tell me.

stone88
Post #3
Wednesday July 15, 2015 6:45pm

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Original post from Spank

My question:

Are these pay-to-play youth clubs? If so, why do they deserve compensation when they've already been compensated? I don't see why they should make even more money off a player when they've already been paid for training a player. Maybe i'm missing something, if so, please tell me.


Yeh, I'd like to know that too. Most of the youth clubs in this country are pay to play. So why da fack do they need compensation off the sale of a player. That is like kid becoming a concert pianist and then his sixth grade piano tutor suing him/her for compensation after he landed a gig with the NY philharmonic, even though his parents paid for all those piano lessons.

skangles
DC
Post #4
Wednesday July 15, 2015 10:10pm

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These aren't training fees which clubs get when they pay for the training of players that transfer, we are talking about solidarity payments which FIFA regulations require be paid to the youth clubs irrespective of who paid for the development and training. The article says they are usually 5% of the transfer value so you have Tottenham and Fulham paying MLS a 5% fee required by FIFA to be sent through to teams like Crossfire which the MLS is just sticking in their pocket.

I agree with Juergen that the US needs to do something about pay to play but even if we don't I want youth teams to have every incentive to do absolutely everything they can to develop young prospects. When MLS sticks their entitlement in their own coffers it doesn't help.

The article touches on your question:

Like Crossfire, the Texans regularly produce professional players. Some of their alumni include U.S. men's national team players Omar Gonzalez, Lee Nguyen, Greg Garza and Emerson Hyndman. Both clubs built their own field complexes and offer a number of scholarships for players outside their fee-free Development Academy teams. The Texans announced in June that pre-Academy teams would also be free beginning in 2015.
The majority of youth clubs in the U.S. maintain nonprofit status. Stewart said training and solidarity fees would help reduce the burden on players' families and incentivize continued player development.


dolcem
Post #5
Thursday July 16, 2015 7:54am

Joined Nov 2012
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I'm no libertarian but this is simple guys.

Let the free market do its work. If something is profitable, people will do it.

If it is profitable to develop good soccer players, clubs will do it. If they don't, all they will care about is winning, and development suffers as a result.

The Argentines get this. They a huge amount of focus on youth development. It's normal here for a club to get rid of a very solid veteran player in favor of a kid out of the academy because there's the probability that the kid one day could be sold for millions of dollars. It's no surprise that they produce amazing soccer players.

In the US, the club youth soccer system has no incentives to develop players (except for the handful of academies, which unlike other countries, only comprise a small part of the youth development system). They are only concerned with winning meaningless trophies. And the problem continues in the MLS. Clubs aren't allowed to reinvest the money they make from transfers into the squad, so placing a lot of emphasis on youth development doesn't make much sense. The end result is despite having more youth players than anywhere else in the world and first world facilities, we haven't even produced one world class field player or even a club team that has won the CONCACAF Champions League. And the current generation of USNT players is arguably no better than, say, the '02 team.

Until we provide more financial incentives to youth development, we will continue to fall short.
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Mojofc
Post #6
Saturday July 18, 2015 1:59am

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Yeah I'm not sure most people understand the potential significance in this at all. The media in general aren't reporting it much either.

Another article and very well written from someone I commonly have little respect for:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-fc-yahoo...
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dolcem
Post #7
Saturday July 18, 2015 2:10am

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Original post from Spank

My question:

Are these pay-to-play youth clubs? If so, why do they deserve compensation when they've already been compensated? I don't see why they should make even more money off a player when they've already been paid for training a player. Maybe i'm missing something, if so, please tell me.


Original post from stone88

Yeh, I'd like to know that too. Most of the youth clubs in this country are pay to play. So why da fack do they need compensation off the sale of a player. That is like kid becoming a concert pianist and then his sixth grade piano tutor suing him/her for compensation after he landed a gig with the NY philharmonic, even though his parents paid for all those piano lessons.


Guys...clubs are pay to play because they are private and the government doesn't fund them. Aside from selling candy bars, how are they supposed to find the money for scholarships for low-income players? I think I might have an idea...
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Mojofc
Post #8
Thursday September 3, 2015 6:37pm

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The purchase of Martial by MUFC has resulted in Martians youth team receiving £270,000.

Wouldn't happen here in the USA. I think it said it would pay for all of their expenses for 5 years roughly.
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Rey Regicide
Post #9
Thursday September 3, 2015 7:20pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Original post from Spank

My question:

Are these pay-to-play youth clubs? If so, why do they deserve compensation when they've already been compensated? I don't see why they should make even more money off a player when they've already been paid for training a player. Maybe i'm missing something, if so, please tell me.


because that's the reason you want to own something to begin with, entitlements.

Mojofc
Post #10
Friday September 4, 2015 3:50am

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http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/09/03/so...

Just now saw this new article as well, mini update on the ussoccer vs youth clubs issue.
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Mojofc
Post #11
Friday September 11, 2015 1:14am

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Another update:

The US Senate is asking questions now.

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/09/10/us...

Sad most soccer media are completely ignoring this.
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC
skangles
DC
Post #12
Tuesday October 20, 2015 3:28am

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The plot thickens.

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/10/19/us...


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