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Post #1
Monday July 6, 2015 7:27pm

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Here are the current MLS players who's USMNT stock is rising:

1. Lletget: has scored 5 goals and assisted on a couple more since joining LA a month ago.

2. Ethan Finlay: 5 goals and ten assists so far. Arguably the best winger in MLS the past two seasons.

3. Darlington Nagbe: while his stats haven't ben min blowing this season, he has still been Portlands best player. Will have citizenship by September.

4. Dillon Powers: The lone bright spot for Colorado this season.

5. Fatai Alashe: much better as a 6 versus as an 8 as displayed last night. Mature performances this season for a rookie.

These players are the ones to continue to watch this year for a USMNT call up after the Gold Cup.

Player whose stock continues to slide:

Luis Gil: regressing a lot this season. I haven't been on his hype train for awhile now. Still young, but unwound go as far as saying he isn't u23 starting material either. Would love to see Holmes given a chance with the u23's.

MSantoine
Post #2
Monday July 6, 2015 8:22pm

Joined Nov 2012
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On the regression side here are a few more names:

Lee Nguyen- Seemed on the cusp of coming into the US fold. Has been awful this year. Seems his contract situation soured him.

Shane O'Neil- Became a MLS regular at 19, at 20 was getting looks from Ireland. Now at 21 he cant get off the bench for the worst team in MLS.

Andrew Farrell- Changing AJ Soares for London Woodbury should have made them stronger. However the Revs defense went from one of the best in the league to one of the worst. Farrell hasnt learned how to use his physical presence or speed to create many chances. In 80 MLS games he's yet to score and only has one assist to his name. For a guy who mainly plays fullback thats unacceptable.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #3
Monday July 6, 2015 9:45pm

Joined May 2013
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Polster has nats potential also.

I like Finley a lot.

I don't agree about Lletget's nats potential. He is a solid player, but I don't believe has the pace to have an impact at the international level...especially on the flank. I think being able to play with LA flatters his stats a bit. They've really pasted some demoralized teams recently. He is a finisher though and that might get him a look.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Nagbe looks surrounded by nats players that will keep him engaged and focused in the effort. If he can mentally dial it in for 90 min he could have a massive impact for us.

Alashe has been fantastic, routinely marking the opposing teams playmaker...a big reason for the Quakes defensive turnaround. I think he's a 2-3 years away from having the ability to play as an 8. He's control is still a little boingy and loose, but his play as a 6 has been excellent...blue chip nats potential...he's a gamer.

skangles
DC
Post #4
Monday July 6, 2015 10:15pm

Joined Jan 2013
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I thought this was a bump of the stock rising thread that we had going ages ago. I opened the thread with full intention to complement the bump. Still a good topic.

Alashe should definitely get his chance with the U-23s in October. He looked really good in Toulon.

What's the requirement for making the list? Perry Kitchen has had a great season but he's been capped in the Mexico game and has a realistic chance of making the Gold Cup side should anybody get injured (hopefully they won't).

Hamsamwich, how has Shipp been doing? I haven't seen too much from him in recent Fure highlights.

hamsamwich
Post #5
Monday July 6, 2015 11:41pm

Joined Oct 2013
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I was going to say perry kitchen as well.

Harry has really played well and appears to have really worked hard to get himself into the shape and condition to play 90' every game. The forwards have really been crap or he would have more stats. Frank Yallop has played him wide pretty much every game and it's not really his best spot. As a player, he is the best on the team but for my money he is still a year away from being a USMNT player. He needs to understand how good he really is... Saying all that I would love to see him playing with guys like Altidore, Wondo or Dempsey who know what to when a pass comes their way. It says a lot about the state of soccer (the depth) in this country that he can't even get a sniff. ***polster will play this fall in the Olympic qualifying unless he is hurt so really at this point I could see him as having his stock rising from a Fire perspective. Him and Alashe would be a nice "2" in the 4-2-3-1***

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #6
Tuesday July 7, 2015 12:03am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,254
I'm a big fan of Alashe. Athletic and smart. I'm not a Dom Kinnear fan but he's kept with him and it's paid off. San Jose is playing some good ball.

Rey Regicide
Post #7
Tuesday July 7, 2015 12:44pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Lletget is not a winger, he needs to be a CAM, something that we lost in Gil, Hell I thought Gil was goign to turn out better than LLetget, but welcome back Sebastian.

Also notice how quickly this can change if Gil puts together a solid showing in the second half of the season.

.....gosh darnit, we just need a functional 10. anyone, ANYONE will do

MSantoine
Post #8
Tuesday July 7, 2015 1:16pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Rey Regicide

Lletget is not a winger, he needs to be a CAM, something that we lost in Gil, Hell I thought Gil was goign to turn out better than LLetget, but welcome back Sebastian.

Also notice how quickly this can change if Gil puts together a solid showing in the second half of the season.

.....gosh darnit, we just need a functional 10. anyone, ANYONE will do


Zelalem in 3 years will be that guy. I see him eventully taking over for Dempsey as we transition from the diamond to a 4-5-1 (or 4-3-3 with 1 striker and two wings, both formations are essentially the same). Zelalem, Bradley, and someone as the defensive mid with some combination of Zardes, Green (hopefully), Gyau (health dependent), Nagbe, Yedlin on the wings and either Arjo, Agudelo, Morris, Zardes, maybe Nokavich if he develops, up top.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #9
Tuesday July 7, 2015 2:15pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Original post from MSantoine

Zelalem in 3 years will be that guy. I see him eventully taking over for Dempsey as we transition from the diamond to a 4-5-1 (or 4-3-3 with 1 striker and two wings, both formations are essentially the same). Zelalem, Bradley, and someone as the defensive mid with some combination of Zardes, Green (hopefully), Gyau (health dependent), Nagbe, Yedlin on the wings and either Arjo, Agudelo, Morris, Zardes, maybe Nokavich if he develops, up top.


Did you have an age cut-off? Or are you one of those Altidore haters?
In 3 years Altidore will still only be 28 (which is only a year older than ArJo.
I know ArJo is a fan favorite in the USA. But what so far has he done to say that he is better than Altidore. That's not to say that Altidore is great. But outside of Morris who has looked fantastic just about every time he has featured for the USA, who has actually done more or looked better than Altidore, consistently?
Right now of the guys you listed and Adding Altidore (all will be either in their prime, or approaching their prime come 2018 WC). Here is the pecking order.
Altidore
ArJo
Morris
Agudelo
Zardes
Novakovich

Zardes is higher up as a winger, but as a striker, he's barely on the radar at the moment.

I'd also say Rubin would be ahead of Novakovich...

All of them including Altidore are young enough to where they can improve still. But right now they only one even close to surpassing Altidore is ArJo. I'd say he is not all that close right now.
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MSantoine
Post #10
Tuesday July 7, 2015 2:53pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Im not a Jozy hater. I just dont think his style fits where the US is going.

Definitely forgot about Rubin. He has as much a chance as Morris and Arjo, and Id say more than Agudelo then starting come 2018.

Also I agree with your pecking order now, but if I were to guess where they'll likely be in 2018 Id list them as follows:

Rubin (if he doesnt get hurt I think theres no doubt hes playing in La Liga or EPL by this time)
Morris (all aboard the hype train. Choo Choo)
Arjo (likely be starting in EPL or bundesliga)
Zardes (likely in Europe)
Jozy (likely still in MLS)
Wood (maybe bundesliga starter)
Agudelo (wild card)
Nokavich (possible EPL starter, lower percentage)

I know there are other potential guys too like Wooten, Jamison, Tall, Jerome K, that may work there way into the picture. There is going to be an intense competition for the striker position and the dual winger/striker hybrids (Rubin, Morris, Zardes, Agudelo) I think may have an advantage over the more one dimensional forwards (Jozy, Arjo).

But I think there is already a 2Tone thread. Maybe that needs an update? Maybe after Gold Cup and transfer season? Ill be waiting for it...

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #11
Tuesday July 7, 2015 5:11pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Original post from MSantoine

Zelalem in 3 years will be that guy.


Yeah, maybe. He needs to get better on several fronts.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #12
Tuesday July 7, 2015 5:19pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,527
Wood is definitely higher than Agudelo and Novakovich in any pecking order right now.

If I am making a 2016 Copa America squad for strikers this is it:

Dempsey( last tournament)
ArJo
Altidore
Wood
Morris( will he play in both the Copa America and Olympics?)

Novakovich will definitely be on the Olympic team as long as he continues to show well with Reading.

skangles
DC
Post #13
Saturday July 11, 2015 5:33am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,448
What's really going to be a change for this program is that we've consistently had a pipeline of guys with loads of MNT experience. Players near or with 100 caps.

At the moment Dempsey and Bradley have 100+ caps, Beasley has 100+ caps should he get called up and Howard has 100+ caps if he returns.

After Bradley's 100th cap I was looking at the list of who is likely to be next and there is only one player that you could say is likely to get to 100 and that's Jozy with 83 caps. After Jozy it's crazy how much it drops. We have older players like Jones and Beckerman with around 50 caps and then there are a number of guys with 30+ caps, players like Fabian, Bedoya, Mix and Shea.

There really isn't anybody who looks like a sure fire bet to get to 100 caps after Jozy. I think that's an indication of the level of competition that we now have at every position.

yodaddy101
Post #14
Saturday July 11, 2015 6:22am

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 166
Original post from skangles

What's really going to be a change for this program is that we've consistently had a pipeline of guys with loads of MNT experience. Players near or with 100 caps.

At the moment Dempsey and Bradley have 100+ caps, Beasley has 100+ caps should he get called up and Howard has 100+ caps if he returns.

After Bradley's 100th cap I was looking at the list of who is likely to be next and there is only one player that you could say is likely to get to 100 and that's Jozy with 83 caps. After Jozy it's crazy how much it drops. We have older players like Jones and Beckerman with around 50 caps and then there are a number of guys with 30+ caps, players like Fabian, Bedoya, Mix and Shea.

There really isn't anybody who looks like a sure fire bet to get to 100 caps after Jozy. I think that's an indication of the level of competition that we now have at every position.


Honestly i think Fabian Johnson is probably next in line after Altidore.
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yodaddy101
Post #15
Saturday July 11, 2015 4:31pm

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 166
Original post from Rey Regicide

Lletget is not a winger, he needs to be a CAM, something that we lost in Gil, Hell I thought Gil was goign to turn out better than LLetget, but welcome back Sebastian.

Also notice how quickly this can change if Gil puts together a solid showing in the second half of the season.

.....gosh darnit, we just need a functional 10. anyone, ANYONE will do


I really think that christian pulisic will become the number 10 if his career continues the way it has been. He is a very talented player.
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