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cudevil
Post #196
Wednesday July 8, 2015 5:43pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Seriously.

Regarding the back 4. Most of the "lapses" came due to the quick counter. When Honduras is coming back down the field on a quick counter and get a decent shot or corner its more the midfields fault then the defenders. The #6 is supposed to swallow those up. I dont get why Beckerman gets a free pass. All I heard from people, Jurgen included is that he needs to start as he lets Bradley roam and he can clean up in front of the defense. He was invisible yesterday.

Also for all calling for Evans to replace Chandler you do realize they scored after we made that swap. I know they scored from the left and ultimately took Alvardo to school but did you notice Brooks was no where to be seen. Was it because he was covering for Evans? I dont think thats a coincidence


Beckerman shouldn't get a free pass. He was pretty lousy. Consistently out of position, which only serves to highlight his athletic limitations.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #197
Wednesday July 8, 2015 5:55pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 890
Not sure what game you guys were watching? Beckerman doesn't get a free pass he had a solid outing. Beckerman completed 46 of his 51 passes, the most of any player on either team. He did get beat a few times which we are not used to seeing. Everyone on the team got beat a few times, Honduras played a very strong game. Chandler was consistently beaten in just about every facet of the game. Evans was solid in his limited time on the pitch. We lose some of our ability to get forward and 1v1 speed with Evans but I would take him any day over Chandler.

Know Nothing
Post #198
Wednesday July 8, 2015 6:45pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,724
Original post from USAGunner

Arjo as a CAM? switching out 3 in the backline?
and people get on JK for experimenting. I'm glad some of us aren't the coach.


Next match is Haiti, a team we should beat comfortably. JK is going to make changes to give players a rest so when would you do that? If Panama beats Honduras it does not matter what we do against Haiti as the last match will matter so why not have some rested legs.

If things work out the way they should, with is keeping possession, Arjo would be more of a withdrawn forward than a CAM

And the Honduras goal was a direct result of neither Zardes nor Beckerman failing to track a runner...it had nothing to do with where Brooks was.

cudevil
Post #199
Wednesday July 8, 2015 6:55pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 993
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Not sure what game you guys were watching? Beckerman doesn't get a free pass he had a solid outing. Beckerman completed 46 of his 51 passes, the most of any player on either team. He did get beat a few times which we are not used to seeing. Everyone on the team got beat a few times, Honduras played a very strong game. Chandler was consistently beaten in just about every facet of the game. Evans was solid in his limited time on the pitch. We lose some of our ability to get forward and 1v1 speed with Evans but I would take him any day over Chandler.


This is an instance where the stats don't really tell the story. We didn't control the center of the pitch very well. That's not all on KB, but that's a big part of his role. I didn't see very many times when he was able to break up the Honduran attack, which I will take almost every day vs. a 90% completion percentage on his passes. This is especially true where KB isn't attempting very many high degree of difficulty passes.

MSantoine
Post #200
Wednesday July 8, 2015 7:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from cudevil

This is an instance where the stats don't really tell the story. We didn't control the center of the pitch very well. That's not all on KB, but that's a big part of his role. I didn't see very many times when he was able to break up the Honduran attack, which I will take almost every day vs. a 90% completion percentage on his passes. This is especially true where KB isn't attempting very many high degree of difficulty passes.


Exactly. I bet out of his 51 passes 30-35 of them were received from a midfielder and knocked back to Brooks or Alvardo to reset. That doesnt take skill to do that. He never looks to make a pass that could lead to something. I understand you cant always attack, attack, attack, but there has to be balance. If I was an opponent anytime he received the ball I'd go hard at him knowing he will just pass it backwards. Good teams and quick forwards will eat that up.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #201
Wednesday July 8, 2015 7:31pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
I have not been a detractor of KB. He is what he is. He is good as a destroyer and breaking up attacks, then resetting the ball and getting our attack started (slowly). But he didn't do that against Honduras. When we go against teams that play fast and strong and hit you on the counter with extreme speed (which is what Honduras was doing). Then he is just out of his element. Especially when paired with 2 wings that don't track back particularly well.

I think that is the reason that KB didn't start against Belgium, to much speed for him to deal with in the attack.

So no he did not have a good outing. Haiti has speed too. If we go with the same lineup, KB will have a better game as Haiti isn't as good or as well put together, but he'll still have the same issues when they get a counter attack going.

If we play Costa Rica down the line (which is almost inevitable) if we have that line up Joel Campbell will roast us. He is just not a good enough athlete to be able to cover that much ground against a fast and skilled attack.
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blaise213
Post #202
Wednesday July 8, 2015 9:25pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,998
Hey 2tone

You were right!

The score was 3-1 US

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/7/7/89105...

TheTruth
Post #203
Wednesday July 8, 2015 9:50pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Best American player last night was definitely Brad Friedel.

cudevil
Post #204
Wednesday July 8, 2015 10:12pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 993
Original post from MSantoine

Exactly. I bet out of his 51 passes 30-35 of them were received from a midfielder and knocked back to Brooks or Alvardo to reset. That doesnt take skill to do that. He never looks to make a pass that could lead to something. I understand you cant always attack, attack, attack, but there has to be balance. If I was an opponent anytime he received the ball I'd go hard at him knowing he will just pass it backwards. Good teams and quick forwards will eat that up.


I'm not going to ding KB because he typically looks for safe passes. Not everyone needs to be able to thread a ball through 3 players or drop a 30 yard pass over the top of the defense. But I'm not going to take his completion percentage as evidence that he played well either.

hamsamwich
Post #205
Wednesday July 8, 2015 10:19pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
I thought Beckerman gave way too much space many times to Martinez and the other guy who came on at CAM. He recovered well on key plays to stop big chances and his reliability in those moments is why he's on the field. Overall I thought he was average and not his best. Morales could possibly offer more if given the chance-- but I have confidence Beckerman will step it up as the tourney goes on.

cleancutimage
Post #206
Thursday July 9, 2015 2:03am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,310
Random but I cannot believe Dempsey has never scored against Mexico.

Rey Regicide
Post #207
Thursday July 9, 2015 1:01pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Beckerman's passing wasn't off, his choices were, but I feel from watching Zardes pinned to the sidelines and Dempsey and Atlidore refusing to stagger consistently, that it was due to lack of options. His real only viable target was Michael BRadley and bad enough that he's EASILy the most recognizable player on our team, he was marked every time. He clearly chose easy passes majority of the time, but I would rather that than him trying to do something and turn the ball over.

His spacing and ability to hold the line though was bad. I love Beckerman, but even I can't defend his poor marking. And that isn't fatal, generally. But during the game I remember cringing alot from his inabilty to "hold" our line.

Also, is it too much to ask for our players to think?

If I'm with my buddy, on a line, say the to midfielders not named Beckerman. From baseline to baseline / 2 means I have THAT much ground to cover no? Unless Dempsey is dropping back to be able to divide the space by 3. Or Bradley, but we don't want Bradley consistently dropping back right? ALL that space is for Zardes and Yedlin to play around with, including the responsibility to give flank depth. But if there is no opportunity there, I must move to where there's a measure of lower defensive density, is that too hard to ask?

I understand Klinsmann plays people out of position, but he shouldn't be playing you out of your capabilities to reason. This is academic.

MSantoine
Post #208
Thursday July 9, 2015 4:31pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
I have no problem with Beckerman's decision making.

My comment more was in response to someone saying he completed over 90% of his passes when defending his poor play. My reasoning is he better complete 90% percent when all he does is knock it back to the open defenders.

Guys like Chandler, Yedlin, Zardes should have lower pass percentages because there passes/crosses are high risk/high reward and can lead to goal scoring opportunities.

coverby
Post #209
Thursday July 9, 2015 8:50pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 501
@dolcem, I think I found Rain:

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/3cp8...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #210
Thursday July 9, 2015 9:55pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,479
Lol. That's definitely Rain.

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