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Post #106
Thursday August 13, 2015 6:40pm

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exciting to watch and should get a look in camp by JK doesnt hurt just to bring him but tough to really see if he break through until WCQ.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #107
Thursday August 13, 2015 6:44pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from MSantoine

Sorry but those articles proove my point in the myth. Almost all of them refer to the whole thought of what other sport can you fail 70% of the time and be considered successful. I can guarentee you that soccer plays score on less than 30% of there shots on goal. In hocky PKs are scored less than 30% of the try, never mind shots with defense in front of them.

Again all these articles compare apples to oranges. Did you know Alex Ovechkin only scored on 13% of his shots. Stamkos scored on 16%. Not one of the top 40 goal scorers scored on even 20% of their shots. Those guys "goal" is to score. Just like a batter is to get a hit.

All the articles act like if you didnt get a hit you didnt hit the ball. Hitting a ball is not hard to do. Its one of the first things people can teach their kids. Its easier to hit a ball then catch it for youngsters.

If the average major leaguer, not the best but average, can hit a pitch 80% of the time you cant say its the hardest thing to do in sports.


It's not a myth just because you say it is. That 80% number you keep throwing out is complete garbage. We have already went through that.

You lost it once you said hitting is easier than catching. Sure Kids can hit a ball on a tee or with soft pitch. That is SO different than hitting a pitch. Then you start adding in 90 mph pitches, and curves, sinkers, etc. Surely you aren't saying that hitting at the little league level is as hard as it gets. That's like saying I can kick a soccer ball from 50 yards away into an empty net and think you are good. HA. Come on dude.
Anyone who has played baseball EVER will tell you hitting is 500x harder than catching the ball the farther up the food chain you get.

Your argument is utterly ridiculous. You are approaching adms territory, must be trolling. I have no problem if you think things in Soccer are harder, that's a legit opinion, but saying hitting a baseball is not that hard and catching one is HARDER. Come on dude. Stop trolling.
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MSantoine
Post #108
Thursday August 13, 2015 7:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from USAGunner

It's not a myth just because you say it is. That 80% number you keep throwing out is complete garbage. We have already went through that.

You lost it once you said hitting is easier than catching. Sure Kids can hit a ball on a tee or with soft pitch. That is SO different than hitting a pitch. Then you start adding in 90 mph pitches, and curves, sinkers, etc. Surely you aren't saying that hitting at the little league level is as hard as it gets. That's like saying I can kick a soccer ball from 50 yards away into an empty net and think you are good. HA. Come on dude.
Anyone who has played baseball EVER will tell you hitting is 500x harder than catching the ball the farther up the food chain you get.

Your argument is utterly ridiculous. You are approaching adms territory, must be trolling. I have no problem if you think things in Soccer are harder, that's a legit opinion, but saying hitting a baseball is not that hard and catching one is HARDER. Come on dude. Stop trolling.


Again apples to oranges my friend. I know I couldnt hit a 90 MPH fastball. Just like I couldnt block any NFL defensive player. Or block a Lebron James Layup. You keep extrapolating the point upwards.

This all started because someone said the hardest thing to do in sports is hit a baseball. That in itself is inheritantly false. There is nothing in baseball that is the hardest thing to do for a PROFESSIONAL athlete. Any metric/stat you want to use there is some other big 4 sport activity that is harder to do (im not coundting polo, racing, tennis, etc). Its easier for a MLB batter to hit a baseball, note I said hit a baseball, not get a hit(79%), then it is for a NBA player to hit a free throw shot (75%).

Those are facts. Again not even sure why this keeps going on. Im just sick of old baseball fanboys who think that baseball is the best/hardest sport because its a crusty old guy sport. More people play professional baseball in this country at least then any other sport (note the use of professional, not MLB, all professional leagues). So again if its the hardest thing to do why is it the easiest sport to become a professional at? Not because american youths play it the most. Those numbers are plummeting and below youth soccer and close to basketball

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #109
Thursday August 13, 2015 9:24pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Msantoine,
I'm not Baseball Fanboy, It's probably 4th on my list (Football, Soccer, Basketball then Baseball). You also don't need to tell me about what the Youth are doing, I am a Recreation Supervisor (so it's my livelihood to know what the youth are doing).

You keep thinking everyone is saying just purely hitting the ball. Sure some may be saying that, but that's relatively few. You are mistaking them saying HIT for MAKING CONTACT. When people say hitting a baseball, they mean (most of the time) getting a hit, NOT making contact with the ball. Your baseball terminology is off.

You think its apples to oranges because you don't understand the terminology. Which if you're not a baseball guy (clearly you aren't by your statements) is perfectly fine.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #110
Friday August 14, 2015 5:40pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,633
This thread has gone off the deep end. Last I looked this was supposed to be about Lletget?

cleancutimage
Post #111
Friday August 14, 2015 5:58pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,213
Original post from 2tone

This thread has gone off the deep end. Last I looked this was supposed to be about Lletget?


Word, every time I see this thread at the top of the board list. I think 'Wow, Sebastian is getting a lot of attention' and then I see post of basketball and peoples personal baseball stats their 8th grade year.

I know how it started and even chimed in but to get back on topic, Lletget just needs to keep playing well, hopefully being around all that talent will make him a very consistent and reliable player and hopefully he gets another chance in Europe. He is still young.

TheTruth
Post #112
Friday August 14, 2015 6:20pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Everyone likes speed on the wings. But I think Legit would work well for USMNT out wide if he's got an overlapping back behind him - we gotta bunch of those.

So, if you had the choice of Zardes OR Legit as a wide mid for the USMNT today which would you take (yes, I know it depends. . .)?

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #113
Friday August 14, 2015 7:12pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Lletget over Zardes...ALL DAY. I'm no Zardes fan.

Personally If Lletget is that good as people are saying (I haven't seen him play this year) then having him and Bedoya on the wings with Bradley in the middle should be a nice trio. Add in Danny Williams.
Then in the 2nd half sub in Yedlin for Lletget and open the game up, let him use his speed to destroy tired defenses (like he did in World Cup and in the Euro friendlies). That is when he is at his best.

I think Yedlin is always going to be a better player against the Euro teams and Mexico. The teams who sitting behind the ball, who will press higher with their backline. He can use his speed to get behind. Many of these Concacaf teams just sit back and hit us on the counter, so Yedlin's speed isn't as productive. But you get him attacking a high-line against a tired defense and he is ULTRA-productive.
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #114
Friday August 14, 2015 7:59pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Lletget creates a lot of opportunities, and even more tangents.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #115
Thursday January 19, 2017 12:19am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Good lord, mlssoccer.com luuuvvvvs Lletget.

I wonder if Lletget's new contract has some sort of consistency clause.

If I could point to the perfect example of MLS over-hyping LAG (which very fairly drives other fans of the league crazy) it would be what they've done with Lletget for the last two years.

Jesus Christ. Cool it. In actual effect, he's an inconsistent, somewhat above-average MLS player.
Jury is out on everything else.

Dave
Post #116
Thursday January 19, 2017 2:56am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 884
Original post from TheTruth

Everyone likes speed on the wings. But I think Legit would work well for USMNT out wide if he's got an overlapping back behind him - we gotta bunch of those.

So, if you had the choice of Zardes OR Legit as a wide mid for the USMNT today which would you take (yes, I know it depends. . .)?


Both Lletget & Zardes have their place in the 23 as we currently stand due to their versatility. Both players can fill multiple positions which is important during tournament play.
Lletget - good in tight spaces, able to hold onto the ball, & finding the final pass. Need to be more consistent. Needs prove himself at international game speed & prove he can defend at that level. Could be a nice impact sub....similar to what Feilhaber was in 2010.
Zardes - Good at stretching defenses & interchange. Has the speed & size to play physically when needed and is willing to track back defensively. Needs to improve his first touch. A good candidate to be a rotational player at either the wing or for Jozy/Wood on the front line. Similar to Wolff back in 2002.

coverby
Post #117
Thursday January 19, 2017 5:16am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 500
Original post from mmee

Good lord, mlssoccer.com luuuvvvvs Lletget.

I wonder if Lletget's new contract has some sort of consistency clause.

If I could point to the perfect example of MLS over-hyping LAG (which very fairly drives other fans of the league crazy) it would be what they've done with Lletget for the last two years.

Jesus Christ. Cool it. In actual effect, he's an inconsistent, somewhat above-average MLS player.
Jury is out on everything else.


mlssoccer.com is the propaganda machine. There used to be a soccer podcast that would play Dead or Alive's You spin me round as they read MLS news since they knew it was always a bit much.

Sage of the Soccer P
LA, California
Post #118
Thursday January 19, 2017 10:19am

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 215
I went to many LAG games this past season and I'm on the Lletget hype train. I think he is a very creative player with fantastic strength. His touch on the ball is a lot better than most in the league and the guy can score. He can play multiple positions and I think can challenge for a role in our top 23 player pool. I don't understand where you are saying he is inconsistent. He saved LAG when Gerard wasn't performing and many players were dropping like flys. He didn't consistently play a specific role the entire season bc he was busy carrying everyone filling in. Poor man played out wide, up top and as an 8 slash 6. And he delivered in each role. So can someone please give me some actual reasons why you think he is an over rated player? Bc i just do not agree at all with that.

Rey Regicide
Post #119
Thursday January 19, 2017 1:21pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from mmee

Good lord, mlssoccer.com luuuvvvvs Lletget.

I wonder if Lletget's new contract has some sort of consistency clause.

If I could point to the perfect example of MLS over-hyping LAG (which very fairly drives other fans of the league crazy) it would be what they've done with Lletget for the last two years.

Jesus Christ. Cool it. In actual effect, he's an inconsistent, somewhat above-average MLS player.
Jury is out on everything else.


I too found him to be a little less than what I was expecting in the few times I saw him.

I think again, if the overall quality of the players is indiscernible, indiscriminate..

Then you choose the players who have the skillset you're looking for. Truthfully I would have thought that LLetget Nagbe Nguyen woul dhave been Klinsmann's De Jour, but alas... If Arena values him, then all power to him. But I think that's the general consensus in Arena's camp.

As far as MLS.com, he's handsome, he's rated w/ regards to where he was (EPL) tema, he's young, he could easily replace LAndon as the face, and probably one up him due to social media etc and his willingness to sell himself.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #120
Thursday January 19, 2017 10:31pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Original post from Sage of the Soccer P

I think he is a very creative player with fantastic strength. His touch on the ball is a lot better than most in the league

Yes.
He can play multiple positions

Yes.

I think he's over-rated because of:
a) disappearing from, or having no impact on matches with some frequency. He did not change matches very often the way that someone with his ball skills should.
multiplied by
b) how much the league and the LAG hype him, and how much he hypes himself

If he is an amazing player in a year or two, it will not shock me, but neither will I have to eat crow. He's slightly above average for the league right now. They're overhyping the shit out of someone who could become a big deal. If he becomes a head case that also would not shock me.

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