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MSantoine
Post #76
Tuesday August 11, 2015 12:07pm

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Original post from cudevil

It has little to do with failure rate and everything to do with the number of decisions that have to be made in about a hundredth of a second. Failure rate is indicative of the difficulty. And adding in foul balls is stupid. That's not "hitting" the ball.

Also, so what if you "make contact" on 80% of the swings? What if I'm only swinging at 20% of the strikes because my batting eye isn't good enough?


You could make that arguement about any sport. In basketball, for instance, in split second you have to decide whether to shoot, pass, dribble, where the defenders are, what type of shot to use, how much time is on the clock, etc. Its an arguement that anyone from any sport could use.

Im just trying to say that hitting a baseball isnt the hardest thing to do. And people who use the old only succeeding 1 out of 3 times makes you a hall of famer drives me crazy because it isnt true that they are only succeeding 1 out of 3 times. They are succeeding ~80% of the time and it just sometimes doesnt result in a hit.

The goal of a batter in baseball is to make contact with the ball. I hear people say that all the time. Well if thats the goal then its easily accomplished.

Obviously Im simplifiying things but again just trying to debunk the myth that hitting a baseball is the hardest thing. Trying to say its hard because of that or by saying how many people could hit a 90 mph fastball is assanine. How many people would score a basket against Lebron James? How many people would stop a Lionel Messi pk? How many would be able to block JJ Watt? Its the same percentage for all of them. ~0. Thats why they are pros.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #77
Tuesday August 11, 2015 12:27pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,146
This thread has gone hilariously off-topic.

I love that blaise is new to the sport. You wouldn't know it from the strength of his opinions.

cudevil
Post #78
Tuesday August 11, 2015 11:22pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 590
Original post from MSantoine

You could make that arguement about any sport. In basketball, for instance, in split second you have to decide whether to shoot, pass, dribble, where the defenders are, what type of shot to use, how much time is on the clock, etc. Its an arguement that anyone from any sport could use.

Im just trying to say that hitting a baseball isnt the hardest thing to do. And people who use the old only succeeding 1 out of 3 times makes you a hall of famer drives me crazy because it isnt true that they are only succeeding 1 out of 3 times. They are succeeding ~80% of the time and it just sometimes doesnt result in a hit.

The goal of a batter in baseball is to make contact with the ball. I hear people say that all the time. Well if thats the goal then its easily accomplished.

Obviously Im simplifiying things but again just trying to debunk the myth that hitting a baseball is the hardest thing. Trying to say its hard because of that or by saying how many people could hit a 90 mph fastball is assanine. How many people would score a basket against Lebron James? How many people would stop a Lionel Messi pk? How many would be able to block JJ Watt? Its the same percentage for all of them. ~0. Thats why they are pros.


No you can't make that argument about every sport. That's a laughable statement. In the NBA, neither the players or the ball are moving at 95 mph. Same for football or soccer.

And I'll say it again, including foul balls in your 80% stat is worthless. That's akin to crediting a goal keeper with a save because he touched the ball as it went into the net.

blaise213
Post #79
Tuesday August 11, 2015 11:25pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,549
Original post from mmee

This thread has gone hilariously off-topic.

I love that blaise is new to the sport. You wouldn't know it from the strength of his opinions.


New to the sport? You must be new to your neighborhood watch program in culver city looking out for all the latinos trying to steal cars!

Mainly watched World Cups until after 2006 I started to follow club soccer. 2007 is when I started attending & watching MLS games. Have't missed a live US soccer game since 2009. Started playing pick-up games a few years ago and sometimes play with the St Mary's college squad (half field). I can hang for "being new to the sport"

- Got my USSF coaching "E" license
- Just spoke to the president of Sacramento Republic on the phone about a soccer related project
- Working with an NASL team for a new crest design
- Spoken with Don Garbers assistant about a project along with Earthquakes president

Theres a lot of shit I'm doing to help grow the game here besides just making comments on this website. I offered $10 K to buy this website because I can produce a better format, which was declined.

Im pretty sure half the shit I say on here would get me in trouble, but like Trump, I tell it how it is!

blaise213
Post #80
Tuesday August 11, 2015 11:28pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,549
Original post from hamsamwich

@blaise- I'll be in San Fran and sac town the 25-30th. We can give some lessons to the scrubs.


Down anytime!

Sacramento chicks will be all over you if they know you're not from there!

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #81
Tuesday August 11, 2015 11:43pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,146
Original post from blaise213

Im pretty sure half the shit I say on here would get me in trouble, but like Trump, I tell it how it is!


My bad, dude. I misremembered what you said. I take back the shit I gave.

You had me until the Trump/latino comments, though..... ease off on that, man. Making yourself look bad.

blaise213
Post #82
Tuesday August 11, 2015 11:49pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,549
Original post from mmee

My bad, dude. I misremembered what you said. I take back the shit I gave.

You had me until the Trump/latino comments, though..... ease off on that, man. Making yourself look bad.


All good mmee! I'm just giving you a hard time and not really being serious (on the jokes part). I got the type of humor that is funny but provokes you! I do the latino jokes to bait tylercocinas into the conversation because he gets so butthurt!

tylercocinas
Post #83
Wednesday August 12, 2015 12:08am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,130
Original post from blaise213

All good mmee! I'm just giving you a hard time and not really being serious (on the jokes part). I got the type of humor that is funny but provokes you! I do the latino jokes to bait tylercocinas into the conversation because he gets so butthurt!


Ha. Good try brotha. I have no issue with you or jokes but lets be real, what you do is far from that. I've seen you make disrespectful comments since back in the day when we were all on ESPN and you weren't joking at all, so don't try to play me son.

blaise213
Post #84
Wednesday August 12, 2015 1:09am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,549
Original post from tylercocinas

Ha. Good try brotha. I have no issue with you or jokes but lets be real, what you do is far from that. I've seen you make disrespectful comments since back in the day when we were all on ESPN and you weren't joking at all, so don't try to play me son.


Whats your weight class? Featherweight?

The ESPN days introduced us to the insecurity issues of the mexican soccer culture (which I knew the insecurity already existed outside of soccer because of constantly seeing carlos, juan, and miguel standing against the wall at the club trying to look hard at 5'6, while I was on the dance floor with their girls).

What you don't like is all the shit talk is backed up by facts!

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #85
Wednesday August 12, 2015 5:52am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
Come get when you get your B license. Though I'll probably be dead by then. Not trying to be mean but if you can hang with that college team, they must be terrible as far as colleges go.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #86
Wednesday August 12, 2015 6:20am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,146
Damn dude, you have a B license??
Ok, I'm listening.
(I have a D, I coached some HS)

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #87
Wednesday August 12, 2015 1:07pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,287
Lletget could hit a 90 mph baseball over his shoulder from 40 yards away on the volley out of the park.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #88
Wednesday August 12, 2015 1:46pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from MSantoine

Sorry to call this out but you hit a nerve. This is the single most over rated argument in all of sports. I hate hearing the arguement that its hard to do because you fail 2 of 3 times your an all star. That is just false. The act of hitting the baseball is not very hard at all. Fangraphs charted every pitch thrown over a three year period. They found that each year the results were the same. When a major league player swings his bat he makes contact over 80% of the time. Yes this includes foul balls, and outs made. But some of those are out of the batters control. Id say anything you succed at doing 80% of the time, ie swing bat, make contact, its not hard. For comparison sake great basketball players score on less than half of their attempts. So its much harder to score a basket in basketball then hit a baseball.

Sorry. Rant over. And nothing personal. Just a pet peeve arguement of mine


So is a Forward in Soccer kicking the ball right at a GK for an easy save a success? I think we would ALL agree that a good Forward will kick it where a GK is NOT and at least make him make a save. But kicking it right at him is NOT a good strike.

Thus saying that a Baseball hitter hitting a foul ball, or hitting it right at a position player is NOT a success. So that is a ridiculous argument.

Sure I can go out there and throw a 40 MPH ball right over the plate through the strike zone. Does that make me a good pitcher? NOPE, that ball will be out of the park the majority of times.
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USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #89
Wednesday August 12, 2015 2:07pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
Original post from mmee

Damn dude, you have a B license??
Ok, I'm listening.
(I have a D, I coached some HS)


Playing college ball or higher really helps, as you talk to the director, and based off the level you played, knowledge of game, knowing terminology, being able to identify technical and tactical demands, responsibilities of every position, etc....you can bypass the lower licenses. I started with a C. It took me a while to get the B since it's so many sessions and very in-depth. Also have my masters in Coaching from GSU.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #90
Wednesday August 12, 2015 2:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
The way I look at it to determine whether it's harder....take a kid that's not played either, work with him in both, and I'd be willing to bet that he would hit a 90MPH in fair territory before he scores on a volley coming from behind across the back shoulder on a 50+ yard pass.

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