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admsghs27
Post #106
Monday July 6, 2015 8:57am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from db707

The irony in that statement...


hey don't make fun of yourself bro...

db707
Post #107
Monday July 6, 2015 9:11am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 407
Original post from admsghs27

hey don't make fun of yourself bro...


There it is, the rhetorical equivalent of I know you are, but what am I? Last refuge...

MSantoine
Post #108
Monday July 6, 2015 12:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,706
Seriously how can you argue against Messi's international resume. Sure he's missing a World Cup but soccer is a game of inches.

2014 - Leads Argentina to a 6-1-0 record. Only loss was in AET to the champs. Named player of the tourney.
2010- Leads Argentina to a 4-1 record. Only loss was to Germany (Germany clearly has there number)
2006- Leads Argentina to a 3-1-1 record. Eliminated by....Germany. Seriously Argentina needs to avoid Germany,

So in 3 world cups with Messi Argentina has gone 13-3-1, only losing to Germany, once in PKs and once in AET. But yeah, Messi definitely chokes at the world cup. How many players have that kind of consistent winning at the top level.

hamsamwich
Post #109
Monday July 6, 2015 1:44pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,467
Belgium 2014 WC team was and is now more talented than Argentina 2014. Better defenders, midfielders and strikers. And Courtois is also a better keeper. Messi, Mascherano (maybe) and Aguero (maybe) would be the only ones who could get into Belgiums XI.

Rey Regicide
Post #110
Monday July 6, 2015 3:14pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,766
Pele goes down to injury, Brazil wins a championship in 1962.

I think Pele is so legendary that it is troublesome to find a way to put into context how great he was. It's almost as if he never played the game before, and his status is more myth than human great. Alot of it had to do with his own abilities and performances.

But to say that Brazils achievements and therefore Pele's international resume was exclusively Pele's doing is just not true. Brazil teams were full of all time greats. He had infinitely more talent at his disposal than Messi did. 1970's Brazil team is labeled as the all time greatest, that means those players were all time greats.

Messi's myth gets mystified by his exploits too. He's done stuff at the club level that exalts him to a point where detractors get nauseated. Both have been promoted to levels of hyperbole and surely noone can ever live up to the descriptor of "god".

On a sidenote, I also find interesting how when people talk about Michael Jordan and Lebron James they talk about their respective teammate's talents, and when placing MJ first they overlook the fact that MJ's bulls w/o him were a bad call away from the eastern conference finals, and Lebron's teams plummet to the point of either non relevance, or mediocrity. This isn't to say one is better, but it's an oversight of an obvious fact.

As far as Maradona's concerned, the dude deliberately hand balled a goal in. He was without a doubt one of the more skillfull players, but Argentina did not steam roll through in that tournament. They had fortune calls go their way on their side for their only win with Maradona, to complement his immense talent.

hamsamwich
Post #111
Monday July 6, 2015 3:41pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,467
@rey- yea that was a bs call by hue hollins, some of us will never forget that one. Jordan never won a title until pippen and grant etc got good enough, despite Jordan's ridiculous scoring output in the late 80's. Soccer is not golf or tennis, it's a team game. If Argentina had Suarez instead of higuain maybe they would've had a better chance. But messi is stuck with what he has at this moment in time. No shame to be Germany's bitch- we used to be Ghanas bitch.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #112
Tuesday July 7, 2015 5:48pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 1,871
No discussion of the Medel kick on Messi in the first half?

That's an ejection 100% of the time- unless the refs are crooks.

dolcem
Post #113
Wednesday July 8, 2015 2:06am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,711
Original post from Rey Regicide

As far as Maradona's concerned, the dude deliberately hand balled a goal in. He was without a doubt one of the more skillfull players, but Argentina did not steam roll through in that tournament. They had fortune calls go their way on their side for their only win with Maradona, to complement his immense talent.


A lot of good points in this post but not this one. The reason Maradona is a legend is Argentina played like shit in that tournament and they still won it because of Maradona (with the exception of the final). Never before has a player single-handedly carried a team like that in an international tournament, and even if some of those calls didn't go their way, he would have scored more until they won. He was simply on a different planet in those years. It was the same at Napoli. No player in history could carry a team like Maradona could. On many occasions Messi has carried a very out-of-form Barcelona but I don't know if it's the same.

I found this though and think it's an interesting graphic. I know you can't compare eras but still, Messi's achievements are simply remarkable.

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