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admsghs27
Post #91
Sunday July 5, 2015 4:36am

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Messi will never have the Killer instinct Maradona had.. And yes most of the blame should go on Messi and he knows it. He had a pretty Bad tournament 1 goal in 6 games and it came on a PK...

chillguy1992
Post #92
Sunday July 5, 2015 5:14am

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Messis role this tournament was playmaker he had a very good tournament up until the final. I think that messi didnt have a good final and that he will still be an all time great player but his falling short on international stage will hurt him. For me he is still a top 5 all time player but he has to win a tournament he has 2 mabye 3 chances if copa 2016 ever comes about left in his career to win a title. If he can win a copa or world cup then he has done enough for me to still be in the top three . I think he has had the greatest club career and these days club football is a lot more important and focused on then world football is. But he still needs to win something and have a big final. Also Higuain needs to be dropped the least clutch player in a final 2 years in a row missed an easy chance against germany and then next year misses another glorious opportunity and misses a penalty.

admsghs27
Post #93
Sunday July 5, 2015 7:29am

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEu0Uyzj3S8

He just let it out!!! Life time of agony Chile did it this commentator said it all.. For those that know Spanish is awesome like a poem lol...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #94
Sunday July 5, 2015 8:28am

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Barcelona is basically a Harlem Globetrotter all star team. Yes what he has done at the club level is impressive, but the International level is where Great club players can get exposed. For me he is not in the conversation yet.

I disagree that Club level is more important than International soccer. All players say the ultimate test is the World Cup. All will say nothing compares not even winning the Champions league.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #95
Sunday July 5, 2015 8:39am

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And I will say this about the future of Argentina. The new crop of talent isn't nearly as talented as this current crop. This generation as two more tournaments to get that elusive trophy: next summer in the 2016 Cooa America(if it still happens) and the 2018 WC. Messi will be 31 in 2018 which will probably be his last tournament. Di Maria, Ageuro, Mascherano, Pastore, Lavezzi, Higuain will all be 30 and over.

admsghs27
Post #96
Sunday July 5, 2015 8:56am

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You are 100% wrong 2 tone. The reason Messi doesn't perform as well in Argentina is because he has no love for them never grew up or played soccer there he should of played for Spain better.. And you say Harlem trotters ???? Really guess what the Argentina team has better stars than Barcelona arguably. Messi, Aguero, Tevez, Higuain, Mascherano, Rojo, Di Maria, Lavezzi, Garay, Zabaleta, ect... Those are all guys that are top 50 players in the world and much more talented than Barcelona individually.... I mean if any of those guys came to MLS right now I guarantee they will make More Than David Beckham did when he came here!!!!!

MSantoine
Post #97
Sunday July 5, 2015 12:46pm

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Although a loss is a loss. To get to back to back finals is still impressive. It's not like they kept bowing out in the quarters or earlier. He won a U20 world cup, anOlympic gold medal, runner up twice at the copa, World Cup runner up. Also has 46 goals in just over 100 appearances (usually against top quality opponents, not Caribbean island nations.

I agree that I dong think Argentina will win a major tourney anytime soon as this was likely the end of their golden era, but you can't argue argainst what messi accomplished. Even at the international level

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #98
Sunday July 5, 2015 3:13pm

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He can't score all the goals guys. He cant make every run. It was abundantly clear that Chile weren't gonna let him beat them.

Also you can't disregard Higuain's botched shot and penalty. These are things Messi can't control. Sometimes other guys have to step up.

admsghs27
Post #99
Sunday July 5, 2015 5:31pm

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Then we have to stop the comparisons with other greats.. All time greats win for Club and Country. Maradona, Pele, Zidane, Ronaldo Brazil, beckenbauer.

admsghs27
Post #100
Sunday July 5, 2015 6:10pm

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I believe Messi is 0-4 in finals with Argentina...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #101
Sunday July 5, 2015 6:57pm

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Original post from admsghs27

You are 100% wrong 2 tone. The reason Messi doesn't perform as well in Argentina is because he has no love for them never grew up or played soccer there he should of played for Spain better.. And you say Harlem trotters ???? Really guess what the Argentina team has better stars than Barcelona arguably. Messi, Aguero, Tevez, Higuain, Mascherano, Rojo, Di Maria, Lavezzi, Garay, Zabaleta, ect... Those are all guys that are top 50 players in the world and much more talented than Barcelona individually.... I mean if any of those guys came to MLS right now I guarantee they will make More Than David Beckham did when he came here!!!!!


All I can say is you're completely wrong. Completely. Messi has no live for Argentina? Are you delusional? Your rants are just inexcusable at times.

dolcem
Post #102
Sunday July 5, 2015 7:56pm

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Original post from 2tone

Messi fails again. Not worthy of being in the conversation with Pele, Zidane, Brazilian Ronaldo or Maradonna until he wins some International Hardware.


He absolutely is worthy of being in the conversation of those guys. He achieved more at the club level than any of them (especially Ronaldo). I'm not saying he's better, but to say he doesn't get to be in the conversation is absurd. He already is in the conversation, people make the comparisons all of the time. You place far too much importance on international play. Messi plays in a different era than those guys. In Pele and Maradona's day (and even in the 90's and early 00's), most of the national teams' players played in their own domestic leagues. Those national teams didn't have the problems that they do now. And look at Argentina, ALL of their attacking players play worse for the national team than they do for their clubs. They don't fit well together at all. It's not Messi's fault, and it's not like he's not a clutch player. Time and time again in the Champions League and La Liga he takes control of big games at the most important moments like no player I've ever seen. I don't think he's the best of all time, or even of this era (Zidane), but he's pretty damn close.

Original post from 2tone

I have stated that before about Brazil and Argentina and I was lambasted by you Dolcem.


No, what I lambasted was the idea that USNT players should come home to the MLS, just as Argentine and Brazilians shouldn't come home and play in their own domestic leagues. That would make those teams worse, even though those are very solid leagues. The only solution would be a return to the pre-Bosman era, when everyone played at home. Those were the golden years of the sport. It would hurt the USNT but the game would be so much better and fairer. But that's a fantasy that will never happen.
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hamsamwich
Post #103
Monday July 6, 2015 2:21am

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Well, club teams can go buy anyone they want to exactly fill a role. A country has to have that player as a citizen in that specific moment in time. It's like comparing apples to oranges, club vs international soccer.

It's a shame that Messi's teammates haven't helped him win the big one, but that's not his fault. Germany was better than Argentina last World Cup. In fact I thought messi carried the team through a game vs Belgium who have more talent player to player than Argentina does.

I for one will make sure to get tickets to see Argentina in person next year, hopefully against the USA.

admsghs27
Post #104
Monday July 6, 2015 8:29am

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Original post from hamsamwich

Well, club teams can go buy anyone they want to exactly fill a role. A country has to have that player as a citizen in that specific moment in time. It's like comparing apples to oranges, club vs international soccer.

It's a shame that Messi's teammates haven't helped him win the big one, but that's not his fault. Germany was better than Argentina last World Cup. In fact I thought messi carried the team through a game vs Belgium who have more talent player to player than Argentina does.

I for one will make sure to get tickets to see Argentina in person next year, hopefully against the USA.


WTF Are you on Drugs or just delusional ??? wooooow can't believe i heard that.... Not even close at all.... Belgium is at a much lower level than Argentina at any level or way you look at it.... Thought messi was good vs them check out the Great One....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocB1zL6LEAk

db707
Post #105
Monday July 6, 2015 8:45am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 447
Original post from admsghs27

WTF Are you on Drugs or just delusional ???


The irony in that statement...

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