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chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #46
Friday June 26, 2015 5:12am

Joined May 2013
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I'm surprised Cavani didn't break Jara's jaw. Jara should be suspended for the rest of the tourney. There's always baiting, trash talk, stepping on toes, provocation, but Jara went so far over the line. There isn't a player on the planet that wouldn't retaliate when a opponent sticks their finger up your ass. Ref was directly in front of Cavani, totally screened...otherwise Jara would have got red on the spot. I love watching Chile, but i'll be rooting against them the rest of the way. I really want to see Jara suspended, he gave Chile a huge advantage getting Cavani sent off.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #47
Friday June 26, 2015 8:06am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
It'd be nice to see Jara get suspended for both sides of that- the finger for x games, and flopping like he'd been shot for another y games.

This is basically the only approach that will clean up the game.

Catch a pro sucessfully getting someone carded = multi-match ban.

MSantoine
Post #48
Friday June 26, 2015 11:49am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from mmee

It'd be nice to see Jara get suspended for both sides of that- the finger for x games, and flopping like he'd been shot for another y games.

This is basically the only approach that will clean up the game.

Catch a pro sucessfully getting someone carded = multi-match ban.


I agree 100% and was making this arguement to a friend the other day. The only way soccer breaks through in the US is too eliminate the excessive flopping. FIFA, CONCACAF, CONMEBOL, UEFA, EPL, etc need to all get together and agree on penalties for blatant flopping. So when a South American or Italian, or Portuguese player goes down without contact and dras a card automatic retro card for him.

Also I think if you are "injured" and force the opponenet to kick the ball out of bounds and you need "medical" attention you should be forced to stay on the sidelines for 5 minutes. No more of the time wasting rolling around and then magically your ok.

Those two things turn millions of people off from watching soccer in USA

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #49
Friday June 26, 2015 1:57pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from MSantoine

I agree 100% and was making this arguement to a friend the other day. The only way soccer breaks through in the US is too eliminate the excessive flopping. FIFA, CONCACAF, CONMEBOL, UEFA, EPL, etc need to all get together and agree on penalties for blatant flopping. So when a South American or Italian, or Portuguese player goes down without contact and dras a card automatic retro card for him.

Also I think if you are "injured" and force the opponenet to kick the ball out of bounds and you need "medical" attention you should be forced to stay on the sidelines for 5 minutes. No more of the time wasting rolling around and then magically your ok.

Those two things turn millions of people off from watching soccer in USA


I don't think it's those 2 things.
1-the flopping is just as prevalent if not more prevalent now in the NBA and it is WIDELY popular (and GAINING popularity in the USA).
2-the fake injuries (time wasting and magically ok) is very prevalent in the NFL (which is the most popular sport in the USA).

There is one thing that would make it instantly more popular in the USA (and it should never and will never happen...I hope). And that is to make scoring a LOT more prevalent. Not sure what rules or rule could be adopted for that to happen, but that is the biggest gripe non-soccer fans have is the low scoring.

Of the 5 major sports it doesn't take much to figure out that the 2 highest scoring sports are the 2 most popular (Basketball and Football) in the USA. Then #3 is the third highest scoring (Baseball), then the other 2 (Hockey and Soccer) are down the list.

The only other thing that will make it more popular in the USA is time. As future generations grow up watching and playing it, it inevitably will become more popular. But that takes time.

The same concept can be said for Racism in this country. The best thing for its erradication is time. We are still only 2 generations removed from Civil Rights act. That's not a lot of time, and many of those who were alive during those times, are the grandparents today. As they start to pass away we will have very few who were alive for the Civil Rights movement and at that point it will seem like FOREVER ago. Then a generation after that their kids will pass away and it will be largely forgotten. Each generation the racism will get less and less (it will always exist).

In the same vein the popularity of Soccer is a very new thing. Essentially Soccer is a very new sport in the USA. MLS is only 20ish years old. The USMNT being a legit soccer team is essentially a decade old. This country did not care about Soccer at all as a whole before 1994 (21 years ago). That's not a long time. So those people who grew up with that World Cup memory and actually liking soccer (like me) are the parents of today. This next generation (the one AFTER the millenials) are a lot bigger soccer fans. Their kids will be even bigger soccer fans.
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MSantoine
Post #50
Friday June 26, 2015 2:17pm

Joined Nov 2012
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The scoring isnt the reason why football is popular. Yes the final number seems high but the average score is ~22 points. Thats the equivalent to 3-3 in terms of scoring plays or 6, 7 if you round up scoring plays a game. MLB has over 8 scoring plays a game (average score is over 4 runs per team) Hockey is at 6 scoring plays per game. Football sees as much scoring plays as MLB and NHL. Its about gambling and the fact that its for the most part a sit your but down on the couch for a sunday and enjoy.

Also NFL doesnt have feigning injuies as a problem. They have a flopping issue, same as NBA. MLS, and soccer in general have both a flopping and a fake injury problem. You dont see NFL, NBA, or MLB players go down under little to no contact like they tore their acl until play is stopped and they are checked out. It just doesnt happen in any other sport.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #51
Friday June 26, 2015 8:09pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 934
Original post from MSantoine

I agree 100% and was making this arguement to a friend the other day. The only way soccer breaks through in the US is too eliminate the excessive flopping. FIFA, CONCACAF, CONMEBOL, UEFA, EPL, etc need to all get together and agree on penalties for blatant flopping. So when a South American or Italian, or Portuguese player goes down without contact and dras a card automatic retro card for him.

Also I think if you are "injured" and force the opponenet to kick the ball out of bounds and you need "medical" attention you should be forced to stay on the sidelines for 5 minutes. No more of the time wasting rolling around and then magically your ok.

Those two things turn millions of people off from watching soccer in USA


The millions need to understand, the "Macho" sports think they are supporting have many juicers, crappy refs (take a look at NBA calls), NBA Popeye muscles.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #52
Friday June 26, 2015 9:25pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from MSantoine

The scoring isnt the reason why football is popular. Yes the final number seems high but the average score is ~22 points. Thats the equivalent to 3-3 in terms of scoring plays or 6, 7 if you round up scoring plays a game. MLB has over 8 scoring plays a game (average score is over 4 runs per team) Hockey is at 6 scoring plays per game. Football sees as much scoring plays as MLB and NHL. Its about gambling and the fact that its for the most part a sit your but down on the couch for a sunday and enjoy.

Also NFL doesnt have feigning injuies as a problem. They have a flopping issue, same as NBA. MLS, and soccer in general have both a flopping and a fake injury problem. You dont see NFL, NBA, or MLB players go down under little to no contact like they tore their acl until play is stopped and they are checked out. It just doesnt happen in any other sport.


You can't watch much NBA then. That happens a lot in the NBA (the flopping).

And yes people watch Football because of the high scoring. That's why People go to games/teams with lots of offense. They like to see that.

It doesn't matter about what is actually scored. A lot of it is the perception. I talk to a lot of people who don't like soccer (communist sport and all). The biggest reason they don't like it is because you can sit there for 90' and not see one goal. Secondary to that is the flopping. They view the lack of goals as lack of anything happening in the game. Why teams like Brazil, Chile, etc have traditionally more viewers (outside of their own countries) than others do, they play an exciting brand of soccer and score goals...PERCEPTION.

No doubt that the flopping and the feigning injuries are an issue and it would help. But scoring more goals and having "more action" would cure a lot of the problems.

Also watching plenty of MLS this year, as well as the normal EPL that I watch and games in Champs league and Spanish league and MLS has a lot less flopping/feigning injuries than European teams do. Even some countries in Europe and some leagues don't tolerate it/have it as much.
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #53
Friday June 26, 2015 9:29pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,144
Original post from USAGunner

The USMNT being a legit soccer team is essentially a decade old.


13 years!!

blaise213
Post #54
Friday June 26, 2015 9:44pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,468
Americans perceive Athletes as larger than life! Soccer is the only sport where you go to the game and the fans are the same size as the players.

The flopping in soccer looks worse because the players already don't look like athletes. Nothing looks worse than seeing a small latino dude hit the ground from minimal contact.

NBA didn't having any flopping until the European players entered the game. The biggest flopper in NBA history was Vlade Divac(European). During the NBA finals, Lebron was acting like a P***y the whole time and wanted a foul for everything but I only saw two flops by my Warriors team (iguodala & green).

skangles
DC
Post #55
Friday June 26, 2015 9:51pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,300
Original post from mmee

13 years!!


Boom! Torsten Frings can bugger off.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #56
Saturday June 27, 2015 12:42am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 2,945
This Colombia Argentina game is very good. Only 10 mins in

chillguy1992
Post #57
Saturday June 27, 2015 1:00am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
Argentina dominating Ospina with an amazing double save to keep it 0-0. The next team to be getting ospina should be happy he is a very good goalkeeper.

cleancutimage
Post #58
Saturday June 27, 2015 2:15am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,197
No AET in the Copa America except for the finals? How stupid!

chillguy1992
Post #59
Saturday June 27, 2015 2:17am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
Colombia you stole my heart in the world cup with your play and now your reverting to the worst of south american football. Somehow its tied nobody on colombia has been redcarded its the gift of south american refereeing that keeps on giving.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #60
Saturday June 27, 2015 2:36am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 2,945
Argentina with some beautiful penalties

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