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Post #151
Friday June 5, 2015 1:33pm

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As I mentioned before we played a match and after Ukraine's draw with NZ. Ukraine were the favorites in my eyes. Teams like Ukraine have a lot of uncertainty. They could either make a run to the semis and play brilliantly or lose all three matches.

But I felt Ukraine had the edge over us to win the group is because countries like Ukraine have players that have played together a long time and are groomed to play with each other for years. While our team may be more talented but we just have no been together that long. I would say the players that make our senior side one day will make us a better national team than Ukraine's senior side but Ukraine is definitely a formidable side, youth or senior level.

But Tab did himself no favors with that line-up. Allen & Moore are just not starters at this level. Jamieson should not have been up top by himself. The players are 20 years old at most, they do not need rest like that. Only player from the NZ match that should have been left out was Miazga because of that yellow card other than that the line-up should have remained the same.

Rey Regicide
Post #152
Friday June 5, 2015 1:39pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,843
Acosta is a CDM, you can get more out of him and Moore out of there if you play Requejo at LB Acosta at CDM and someone else at RB.

Percival
Post #153
Friday June 5, 2015 2:29pm

Joined Apr 2014
Total Posts: 162
First, we're on to the knockout round and I think the team still can win more games.

Thoughts from the game:

1. The decision to concede possession and throw everyone behind the ball in the 1st half in effort to grind out a point just didn't work. It neutralizes Hyndman and Zelalem in the middle of the field. They looked lost for pretty well the whole game.

2. We've very likely seen the last game by Shaq Moore in a US jersey. He battled but it's just very evident that he's out of his depth.

3. Agree with others: Jordan Allen has been very disappointing on the wing. I'd keep him on the bench next game.

4. BJIV also looked lost and his play continues to frustrate me. He frequently gets the ball, puts his head down and starts dribbling only to be dispossessed or corralled quickly. Very little ability to hold the ball up. We're thin on the wing so perhaps stick him out there instead of Allen the next game but I'm really looking forward to getting Rubin back up top.

5. We sorely miss Andrija.

6. Having Pfeffer instead of Allen sounds good to me right about now. Of well.

7. I still think this team can win games going forward. Bring Payne, Rubin, and Miazga back, play attacking soccer, and let the chips fall where they may.

hamsamwich
Post #154
Friday June 5, 2015 3:02pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,501
First half defending was good. Second half to start, not bad. Even with 3 goals- those were some quality strikes by kovalenko. All to the perfect spot. We conceded off a free kick to change the game.

Saying tab got his tactics wrong is just bad analysis. The minute we tried to "take the game to them" it was evident Ukraine's strength is counter attacking. They looked much more comfortable defending us than attacking us.

Once they got that first goal, we attacked and got a pk- which hyndman took poorly. After that miss, Ukraine got their counter goals as we searched for an equalizer. Happens.

As for our players, I thought Allen, BJIV and Zelalem were especially poor at the USA game plan of defend and counter. Odd because you'd think Allen an Jamieson have the speed to counter. Didn't happen that way. And young Gedion just doesn't get the defensive part of the game yet bless his heart.

I'm awaiting the results tonite to get all excited about Colombia (most likely). Tab will have some interesting decisions to make. Once again our 4-3-3 didn't look quite as good as our 4-4-2. I'd expect him to go back to two forwards with Rubin and BJIV next game.

Rey Regicide
Post #155
Friday June 5, 2015 3:05pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,843
Percival, def agree with all points, but 7, do you, and everyone here, rate EPB higher than Miazga?

I mean Miazga got into card trouble, had shaky moments, and that was against Myanmar AND New Zeland . For the purposes of familiarity I would keep him in there. But do we think Miazga is better? I actually liked EPB's composure on the ball his short passing, granted everyone made mistakes

Rey Regicide
Post #156
Friday June 5, 2015 3:07pm

Joined Sep 2013
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When we had Delgado, Hyndman, Zelalem, BJ4 Rubin Arriola, wans't that a 4 3 3 ?

I thought BJ spent a great deal on the flank in the NZ game.

Percival
Post #157
Friday June 5, 2015 3:21pm

Joined Apr 2014
Total Posts: 162
Original post from Rey Regicide

Percival, def agree with all points, but 7, do you, and everyone here, rate EPB higher than Miazga?

I mean Miazga got into card trouble, had shaky moments, and that was against Myanmar AND New Zeland . For the purposes of familiarity I would keep him in there. But do we think Miazga is better? I actually liked EPB's composure on the ball his short passing, granted everyone made mistakes


I love EPB's potential and rate him higher than Miazga as a prospect. However, for the next game I'd go back to Miazga, thought he's been a leader and also played well thought the 1st two games (granted, clearly weaker opposition). Basically, I like them both, wouldn't mind seeing either of them paired with CCV.

I'm torn with trying Acosta at CDM instead of Delgado and Requejo Jr. at LB. I probably could be convinced to make that switch.

MSantoine
Post #158
Friday June 5, 2015 3:22pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,721
Way too early to give up Moore. Should we see him again in this tourney? No. But to say never again in a US jersey is ridiculous. He'll be playing in 2nd or 3rd division Spain next year and is likely to get minutes. He'll be playing against some talented 18-21 year olds week in/week out. In 2019 he could be a starter in La Liga if he develops. To say we'll never see him again is crazy talk.

I wish we played Acosta at CDM this game with Rejo at LB. At least we could have gotten a glimpse of if it would work. I think our best lineup is with them and Payne at RB. Can you really change it now? You kind of have to assume we'll go
Rubin-BJIV
Zelalem-Hyndman-Arriola
Delgado
Acosta-CCV-Miazga-Payne
As thats the lineup the one game we looked cohesive.

I'll take our chances vs Columbia. Why are people scared of them. In qualifying they only beat Peru, Paraguay, Venezuela, & Chile (ie the teams that didnt qualify) until they played a Brazil B team that new it couldnt get the title and was already qualified. In the World Cup they barely beat Qatar and needed a pk to tie Senegal. Yes Zapeta & Rodriguez look like they'll be the next good Colombians but its not like they are already starring in Europe.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #159
Friday June 5, 2015 3:25pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 851
Original post from 2tone

Ukraine played to win the U.S. didn't.


You're right. But everyone on here wanted to rest players and Ramos to make changes and that's what you get. No organization on the back line. No attacking threat.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
Percival
Post #160
Friday June 5, 2015 3:28pm

Joined Apr 2014
Total Posts: 162
Original post from hamsamwich

First half defending was good. Second half to start, not bad. Even with 3 goals- those were some quality strikes by kovalenko. All to the perfect spot. We conceded off a free kick to change the game.

Saying tab got his tactics wrong is just bad analysis. The minute we tried to "take the game to them" it was evident Ukraine's strength is counter attacking. They looked much more comfortable defending us than attacking us.

Once they got that first goal, we attacked and got a pk- which hyndman took poorly. After that miss, Ukraine got their counter goals as we searched for an equalizer. Happens.

As for our players, I thought Allen, BJIV and Zelalem were especially poor at the USA game plan of defend and counter. Odd because you'd think Allen an Jamieson have the speed to counter. Didn't happen that way. And young Gedion just doesn't get the defensive part of the game yet bless his heart.

I'm awaiting the results tonite to get all excited about Colombia (most likely). Tab will have some interesting decisions to make. Once again our 4-3-3 didn't look quite as good as our 4-4-2. I'd expect him to go back to two forwards with Rubin and BJIV next game.


Regarding Tab's tactics: playing behind the ball and trying to grind out a point to win the group is defensible. However, you then have to execute that game plan and that clearly didn't happen. It's not sustainable to allow Ukraine's back four to set up camp on the midine and more or less just leave them alone to distribute as they want. That happened way too often for much of the 1st half. Again, I'm all for playing smart tactics but we didn't execute the game plan well at all.

hamsamwich
Post #161
Friday June 5, 2015 3:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,501
It's no guarantee we play Colombia. Could easily end up being Senegal or Portugal.

Percival
Post #162
Friday June 5, 2015 3:32pm

Joined Apr 2014
Total Posts: 162
Original post from MSantoine

Way too early to give up Moore.


Hope you're right and of course he's young. Not trying to be unfarily harsh but he's looked the most out of his league to me on our roster and the reality is that getting call ins for camps gets much harder after the u20 cycle. Again, hope you're right and Shaq proves me silly.

hamsamwich
Post #163
Friday June 5, 2015 3:42pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,501
@percival- it's funny because Tab has totally changed our style... We no longer look able to bunker and counter- which used to our strength. We defended fine, but the lack of ability to break out was disappointing. We had the speed but couldn't utilize it.

Give credit to Ukraine as well (people on here are loathe to do that). I thought they were excellent at stopping most of our counter attacks immediately. It did encourage me for the fact that until Ukraine scored that free kick goal, they were pretty well restricted to half chances and speculative efforts from well outside the box. I thought CCV ad EPB (both 17 years old) did well with the original game plan.

I don't think we will see much more game plans to defend and counter from Ramos. Well, at least not without Rubin and Payne on the field. And it will be because we have a lead in the second half, not the starting plan.

Percival
Post #164
Friday June 5, 2015 4:00pm

Joined Apr 2014
Total Posts: 162
Original post from hamsamwich

@percival- it's funny because Tab has totally changed our style... We no longer look able to bunker and counter- which used to our strength. We defended fine, but the lack of ability to break out was disappointing. We had the speed but couldn't utilize it.

Give credit to Ukraine as well (people on here are loathe to do that). I thought they were excellent at stopping most of our counter attacks immediately. It did encourage me for the fact that until Ukraine scored that free kick goal, they were pretty well restricted to half chances and speculative efforts from well outside the box. I thought CCV ad EPB (both 17 years old) did well with the original game plan.

I don't think we will see much more game plans to defend and counter from Ramos. Well, at least not without Rubin and Payne on the field. And it will be because we have a lead in the second half, not the starting plan.


Agree on all points and you're right to note that Ukraine played well. I also thought EPB and CCV were solid in the 1st half given the amount of pressure that was thrown at them.

What about rolling the dice with Thompson instead of BJIV in the next round? Give up too much in height with that switch?

Rey Regicide
Post #165
Friday June 5, 2015 4:05pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,843
Has Jamieson utilized his height, no header goals, alot of fouls called on him, unjustly for the most part. Thompson is tricky, lots of skill. Is his fitness an issue?

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