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Rey Regicide
Post #121
Tuesday June 2, 2015 3:03pm

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great points Ham, the most natural configuration of this lineup would be to have Acosta be there and have payne and requejo jr as our outside backs

no. 3 you're so money, I was just going to say with this game, all we have to do is draw to win this group, do we play with house money and actually potentially STRENGTHEN our lineup with our subs to find out where THEY are at? I feel we should encourage Arriola's performance with a start, and put TT out there to see what he can do over the course of a game, each time he's come in he's been splendid on the ball and real calming effect and yet ANOTHER creative element to add to Hyndman Zelalem Rubin.

USA, would you rather have them go to gold cup or help out with the under 23 qualifying?

Or do you say, hey clubs, if you don't play them, at least let them do international duty? In the event Hyndman and Rubin don't get playing time?

Everything is so much more awesome when we win and win pretty, food taste better, the wife looks more beautiful that she already does.

Percival
Post #122
Tuesday June 2, 2015 3:06pm

Joined Apr 2014
Total Posts: 162
I'd submit that the team has 4 clear top players: Zelalem, Hyndman, Rubin, and CCV. Think CCV deserves every bit to be in that group in terms of class. His strength, athleticism and skill all point to moving up the ranks fast, and I suspect he'll be called in to the u23's and/or the senior squad asap post u20 WC.

What a slick, polished performance by Zelalem. If I had one quibble, it'd be to be a little more selfish going towards goal. Again, tiny quibble, he was special in his composure and vision.

Hyndman was his usual dominant self and compliments Zelalem nicely since he's a bit more selfish about going towards the goal.

I've been a Delgado apologist but I thought he struggled tonight. Never really in the game, distribution was poor.

On the flip side, I've been tough on Arriola and he deserves his due. He played like a winger, pace down the sidelines, ran at guys with the ball, brilliantly taken shot (off of an even more brilliant feed by Gedi).

Payne was also very good last night. His comfort on the ball, well timed runs, and anticipation were all evident and an upgrade from Shaq Moore's last game. Payne should be our RB against Ukraine.

Acosta's hanging in there at LB but it's clearly not real comfortable for him.

Jamieson was up and down for me. Speed and good anticipation were evident in the 1st half. Thought he ran at guys with the ball a bit too much when passing the ball and making a secondary run would've worked better. Well taken first goal of course.

Last but not least, Steffen was just very solid. Very good save late.

Rey Regicide
Post #123
Tuesday June 2, 2015 3:11pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Percival, CCV deserves to be higher up which is crazy considering he should be with our 17's lol. This feels like vernal christmas.

MSantoine
Post #124
Tuesday June 2, 2015 3:14pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Id be surprised if Zelalem isnt on the gold cup roster. Or at least one of the swaps after group stage. He isnt tied to us yet. He could still go on and play for Germany. Jurgen will fix that this summer.

I think Rubin showed he deserves to be ahead of guys like Wondo, Bruin, Wood. I think he's neck and neck with Agudelo for the 3rd striker spot (assuming Dempsey and Arjo are 1-2).

It is going to get real difficult to be the US coach in 2 years. When you have guys like Bradley, Bedoya, Jozy, Jones who have been regulars for a couple years, and still playing at a decent level, when do you pull the trigger and go to the young guy? Will be a huge decision to make and doing it right or wrong will impact the whole 2018, and possibly 2022 cycle.

My final observation is its funny how guys like Arriola, Thomspon, Jamieson, Acosta would have been our "core" guys last cycle. Now they are the role players. In 2017 it will be even more pronounced. After 10 years we are finally seeing some progress from USA

soccerboy-1983
vicenza, italy
Post #125
Tuesday June 2, 2015 3:23pm

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 306
Just seen the recap of the game we looked good. Im trying to look at why our fans are not more optimistic about this team. From the other games I watched the only team I see us struggling against is brazil, Germany, and portugal that's it. Ghana or urguguay and possible Columbia might give us a problem if we play like we did aginst myammar but if we play like we did last night only the first teams I listed before would I worry about.

Rey Regicide
Post #126
Tuesday June 2, 2015 3:28pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,843
Original post from MSantoine

Id be surprised if Zelalem isnt on the gold cup roster. Or at least one of the swaps after group stage. He isnt tied to us yet. He could still go on and play for Germany. Jurgen will fix that this summer.

I think Rubin showed he deserves to be ahead of guys like Wondo, Bruin, Wood. I think he's neck and neck with Agudelo for the 3rd striker spot (assuming Dempsey and Arjo are 1-2).

It is going to get real difficult to be the US coach in 2 years. When you have guys like Bradley, Bedoya, Jozy, Jones who have been regulars for a couple years, and still playing at a decent level, when do you pull the trigger and go to the young guy? Will be a huge decision to make and doing it right or wrong will impact the whole 2018, and possibly 2022 cycle.

My final observation is its funny how guys like Arriola, Thomspon, Jamieson, Acosta would have been our "core" guys last cycle. Now they are the role players. In 2017 it will be even more pronounced. After 10 years we are finally seeing some progress from USA


2 years man!!!

That's the tail end of our qualifying right? Centennial Copa America tournament, that's when. We unveil, US SOCCER 2.0. Equipped with the germany world cup offensive patch and dutch/spanish total football subroutines.

I mean we saw what he did to Boca, Donovan, Onyewu, Goodson... And he did that in favor of, dare I say it, much less valued if not vaunted talent. I think no question he pulls the trigger on the likes of Bradley if Bradley can't perform in other roles because honestly, very truthfully, I don't see Bradley's game bringing more to the table than a mature Zelalem, and Hyndman. For Dempsey, I can see Clint still being operational and effective in 2 years time, how well can he partner Rubin? Given his age, it would seem like Rubin would have to do the servicing, the running around, the harrassing, and creativity too, Dempsey is more selfish player, takes his own shots. And we're not even talking about Altidore, SWAG, AJ, Zardes etc.

Now this is CRAZY INSANE speculation, but in 07 we were at that point with Adu Altidore and Bradley. Am I wrong? Granted in that time period, we had some stop gaps at forward and none at midfield which required the move to bringing Bradley up faster than normal, but if you were to offer me these two sets, damn i'm really trying hard to be honest about the weighing, but I would MUCH prefer the three (four to six really if you think about it) that we have now in the u20's.

and to your final observation, hell yea they're role players, but they're freaking solid, and they TOO should be active participants in US MNT in the next couple years

a loss to Ukraine destroys all this euphoria, I know

... but a convincing win sends me out there looking for Voyager 1.

Rey Regicide
Post #127
Tuesday June 2, 2015 3:33pm

Joined Sep 2013
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whoops 2016 is NOT the tail end, it's probably at the early stages beginning of our qualifying, sorry for the error.

kernn63
Post #128
Tuesday June 2, 2015 3:55pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 224
So the rabona was just for show, right? There's no reason to actually pull that off .

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/06/02/ge...

Rey Regicide
Post #129
Tuesday June 2, 2015 3:57pm

Joined Sep 2013
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can't believe I forgot about that rabona it looked like it generated a shot no? What happened to that, was it Arriola's shot? Deflected?

hamsamwich
Post #130
Tuesday June 2, 2015 4:05pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,501
Original post from kernn63

So the rabona was just for show, right? There's no reason to actually pull that off .

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/06/02/ge...
in that situation he is faking a cross with the left by doing that. This is a "showcase" tournament after all.

Rey Regicide
Post #131
Tuesday June 2, 2015 4:10pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,843
in my opinion since your success rate for basic things like crossing a ball into a box for a goal is so low to begin with, any successful trick is warranted, if only for the simple fact that it keeps the defender thinking "crap i hope he doesn't embarrass me"

which.buys.you.time.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #132
Tuesday June 2, 2015 4:23pm

Joined Jul 2013
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CCV does deserve to be listed with the other 3.

As far as the question about having them at the Gold Cup or the U-23 Qualifying...
IF they are going to play in the Gold Cup (meaningful minutes) then they should be there. If not then let them help out with the U-23 Qualifying.

BUT I think that we should be able to qualify for the Olympics with a B squad (really shows the depth we have with our youth now).

In regards to the 2007 Adu, Altidore, and Bradley. We really do have 3 that are counterparts for those guys.

Looking back at those 3. The person that was in the most stable situation at the time was Bradley. I don't think it's any coincidence that he has turned out to be the best player of the three.
Having said that I think this trio (Zelalem, Rubin, Hyndman) are all in better positions (Club wise) than those 3. That stability should mean that they develop better and become better soccer players than the aforementioned.

Adu was playing for Real Salt Lake and transfered to Benfica in 2007. He played for 3 teams in that year. Over the next several years leading up to the 2010 World Cup he played for 6 teams. NO Stability.
Zelalem meanwhile has been with Arsenal for 3 years and just signed a professional contract with them. Arsenal >>> Benfica in bringing along young talent. As long as Zelalem continues to work like he has been at Arsenal he will be a lot more stable and actually realize something close to his potential...unlike Adu

Altidore was playing for NYRB in 2007, Was transfered to Villareal in 2008, and played for 4 clubs leading up to the World Cup in 2010. He made the squad in 2010 And was actually playing for Hull City (not well) leading up to it. Much more stable than Adu. But still not stable enough to really realize his full potential. Then he went to AZ and was there for 3 years, getting first team minutes and growing, and finally started to realize his potential. Then he went to a fledgling EPL team and took some major steps back. Hopefully he can stay at Toronto for several years and get back to his AZ days.
Rubin just transfered to Utrecht, but has been getting a lot of first team minutes and growing there. Doesn't look to be leaving anytime soon and should continue to grow. Hopefully he will see some of the mistakes that guys like Altdiore, etc have made (leaving to early) and stay there and fully grow. Go to a team/league where he will play. Getting first team minutes in the Eredivisie is much better than being loaned out every year by a La Liga team...

Bradley had been at Heerenveen for 2 years by 2007 and was getting regular first team minutes. (pretty close to the situation Rubin is in). He then transfered to a Bundesliga side where he could get minutes. Was there for 3 years and was getting regular first team minutes and was one of their better players. Until in the last year he fell out of favor then transfered to Serie A (2 teams there in 3 years), and was getting regular first team minutes there before transferring to MLS. Where he is still getting first team minutes.
Hyndman has been at Fulham for 3 years, and started getting some first team minutes this past year. If he doesn't sign with Fulham this year, hopefully he can go to a club where he will get first team minutes.

The kicker that makes 2015 more talented and better than 2007 is having a first rate CB in CCV. As well as a lot more depth.
Bottom line these guys need to go to places where they will get first team minutes. Not to clubs that are just going to loan them out.
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Ten-Towns
Post #133
Tuesday June 2, 2015 4:25pm

Joined Jul 2012
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I still doubt any U-20 player is on the Gold Cup team. But Rubin, Hyndman, and Zelalem are all potential adds if Klinsmann wishes.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #134
Tuesday June 2, 2015 4:39pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,195
Admghs is just sour that Zelalem started over Sonora, and you would have to say to this moment Zelalem seems to have more talent than Sonora.

Know Nothing
Post #135
Tuesday June 2, 2015 4:49pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,129
Rey Regicide, I would argue that Zelalem is in a good club situation. While Arsenal have the best track of promoting youth players, Wenger has not won the title in a while and there is pressure on him to do something as they are in a great position to win it next year if he spends. If that happens, he will either end up out on loan or stuck in the reserves, or sold.

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