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2tone
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Post #136
Tuesday June 2, 2015 4:57pm

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Wenger has already stated that Zelalem will be either loaned out or brought up to the first team for this up coming season.

MSantoine
Post #137
Tuesday June 2, 2015 5:01pm

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Original post from 2tone

Admghs is just sour that Zelalem started over Sonora, and you would have to say to this moment Zelalem seems to have more talent than Sonora.


Yup. Because his whole claim is Argentine league and Brazilian leagues are miles above EPL. Sonora represents Argentine league. Zelalem EPL. I hate the people that cant admit they were wrong.

MSantoine
Post #138
Tuesday June 2, 2015 5:10pm

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@ Gunner part of the optimism of Adu, Jozy, and Bradley came from the fact that USA had no real youth soccer programs. Look back at the 2007 World Cup team. 8 guys played in college. That team had two players with contracts in Europe (3 if you count Zimmerman with Hamburg reserves). In 2005 we had 12 college guys. A 16 year old (Adu) and only two guys in Euro clubs there goalie, and Spector. In 2003 we had 13 guys in college/academies, a 14 year old(Adu!!!!!) and one guy in Europe (Whitebread).

So Jozy, Bradley, and Adu were something new to US soccer. U20 guys in european clubs or getting solid minutes in MLS. Now getting solid minutes in MLS doesnt even get you call ups to these camps, and being in Euro clubs is nothing special. Its good to see that most people realize that to become a great soccer player you shouldnt be on an mls bench as an 18 year old, you should be a top euro prospect, getting euro minutes or getting consistent MLS minutes. Its good to see the persprective change

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #139
Tuesday June 2, 2015 5:21pm

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Original post from MSantoine

@ Gunner part of the optimism of Adu, Jozy, and Bradley came from the fact that USA had no real youth soccer programs. Look back at the 2007 World Cup team. 8 guys played in college. That team had two players with contracts in Europe (3 if you count Zimmerman with Hamburg reserves). In 2005 we had 12 college guys. A 16 year old (Adu) and only two guys in Euro clubs there goalie, and Spector. In 2003 we had 13 guys in college/academies, a 14 year old(Adu!!!!!) and one guy in Europe (Whitebread).

So Jozy, Bradley, and Adu were something new to US soccer. U20 guys in european clubs or getting solid minutes in MLS. Now getting solid minutes in MLS doesnt even get you call ups to these camps, and being in Euro clubs is nothing special. Its good to see that most people realize that to become a great soccer player you shouldnt be on an mls bench as an 18 year old, you should be a top euro prospect, getting euro minutes or getting consistent MLS minutes. Its good to see the persprective change


While I agree with your general sentiment I think you overstate how much some of these guys actually play in the MLS or for their club teams.
Requejo - 2 games
Miazga - 7 games (regular starter in MLS)
Acosta - 6 games (regular starter in MLS)
Arriola - 8 games
BJIV - 4 games (started about half the games)
Thompson - 5 games
Delgado - hasn't played an MLS game in 2015
Allen - 9 games (regular start in MLS)
Donovan - hasn't played an MLS game
Olsen - hasn't played an MLS game
EPB - only played in a couple games in 2015

So of the 11 guys on the U-20 roster that play in MLS/Liga MX only 3.5 actually play regular minutes.
Of the rest of the squad only 1 plays regularly in Europe/S. America.
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Know Nothing
Post #140
Tuesday June 2, 2015 5:29pm

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Original post from 2tone

Wenger has already stated that Zelalem will be either loaned out or brought up to the first team for this up coming season.


Yes, and loans can be a crap shoot as far as development. Reys argument was the former three were jumping clubs with no continuity...Zelalem could end up in that scenario since Arsenal is already stacked at his position.

Rey Regicide
Post #141
Tuesday June 2, 2015 5:40pm

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actually to the defense of everyone involved, i ramble an incredible amount so I forgot what my own original point was

but in reference to the 07 group, it was more the fact that they performed over that summer, very well, and then transitioned rather quickly to the USMNT mens' team.

we might have the same situation here, but as some have pointed out, with varying degrees of similitude with regards to club experience.

but as far as the eye test, talent evaluation, I prefer our new breed.

another point, which probably got lost on the whole "holy SH!@@T we looked good" angle, is that the competition for those guys's spots on the US MNT are our best guys lol

oh well.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #142
Tuesday June 2, 2015 5:47pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Yes, and loans can be a crap shoot as far as development. Reys argument was the former three were jumping clubs with no continuity...Zelalem could end up in that scenario since Arsenal is already stacked at his position.


That is one thing Arsenal does well is loan players out. They do a lot of short loans for top prospects. They also do a good job of placing them in places where they will get a lot of first team minutes and play a lot.

They don't just loan out to any random teams, where their guys won't be playing.
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navi8132
New York
Post #143
Tuesday June 2, 2015 6:04pm

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1) Zelalem is capable of playing extremely well when the opposing team isn't pressuring too much. - wasn't the case against Myanmar or else he could have done the same I think.
2) Best formation for players available is a 4-1-4-1
Rubin
????-Zelalem-Hyndman-Arriola
Delgado
????- CCV-???- Payne
3) I would like to see Allen get another chance. I just don't like Thompson...
4) Steffan almost seems to have "too much" self-confidence...
5) Crazy to think we could have been even better with Canouse at DM, Novakavich at Striker, and Tall at striker (competing)

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #144
Tuesday June 2, 2015 6:09pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Yes, and loans can be a crap shoot as far as development. Reys argument was the former three were jumping clubs with no continuity...Zelalem could end up in that scenario since Arsenal is already stacked at his position.


Well I wasn't making an argument for or against anything Reys said. I was just making a statement that Wenger has already stated that Zelalem will be either loaned out or brought up to the first team.

If I remember correctly there are already EPL teams showing interest at bringing him on a loan for next season.

My guess is that he goes out on loan. It's up to Zelalem to make the most of it from there.

Rey Regicide
Post #145
Tuesday June 2, 2015 6:24pm

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Original post from navi8132

1) Zelalem is capable of playing extremely well when the opposing team isn't pressuring too much. - wasn't the case against Myanmar or else he could have done the same I think.
2) Best formation for players available is a 4-1-4-1
Rubin
????-Zelalem-Hyndman-Arriola
Delgado
????- CCV-???- Payne
3) I would like to see Allen get another chance. I just don't like Thompson...
4) Steffan almost seems to have "too much" self-confidence...
5) Crazy to think we could have been even better with Canouse at DM, Novakavich at Striker, and Tall at striker (competing)


If I may ask, because I did indicate my preference for Thompson, what does Allen bring that Thompson doesn't make up for?

That's a good point about Myanmar, but Zelalem was very quick in tight spaces against them. Allow me to show you this splendid video replete iwth Sir Biggie Smalls on the audio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYBHT0RK8sA

You see he was making quick 1 2's until the rest of the team hid from the pressure (at one point you see three guys hug the back line of myanmar instead of playing much quick in between the lines

there was one pass there where he rifles one into allen and allen takes about a second to collect and give it right back to him, zelalem in a position where he's free from a mark

navi8132
New York
Post #146
Tuesday June 2, 2015 6:27pm

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Allen brings a more pure wing play and is faster (yes I agree Thompson has more tech ability)

Rey Regicide
Post #147
Tuesday June 2, 2015 6:28pm

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Original post from navi8132

Allen brings a more pure wing play and is faster (yes I agree Thompson has more tech ability)


Def agree with that, if they do go with Allen I hope it's putting him out on a wing on a 4 3 3 and leave Zelalem, Hyndman and Acosta (one can hope)

navi8132
New York
Post #148
Tuesday June 2, 2015 6:31pm

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Or a 4-1-4-1....

Rey Regicide
Post #149
Tuesday June 2, 2015 6:34pm

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i would totally go full on crazy, and raise you a

rubin

allen Sonora Zelalem arriola

Hyndman

payne CCV EPB (let him kick the ball with his natural foot) Acosta

Rey Regicide
Post #150
Tuesday June 2, 2015 6:35pm

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actually sorry, we are trying to replace payne miazga and moore because of yellows right? Requejo JR

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