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Jzaval01
Post #46
Monday December 19, 2016 6:51am

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goal for him. Back healthy and hopefully he can get his chance at the national team. Considering Jurgens lack of tactical knowledge wouldnt be shocked if that hindered his success like many on the national team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6tyMlgpyTo

Know Nothing
Post #47
Tuesday May 15, 2018 7:02pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Signed with newly promoted Fortuna Dusseldorf. Heading back to the Bundesliga

hamsamwich
Post #48
Wednesday September 5, 2018 8:58pm

Joined Oct 2013
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It's time the thread got bumped. He's still out there, playing and not getting called in. But you'd have to think as the season goes on both he and Danny Williams will get their number called if only just to see where they are at. I've always been a fan of this guy, and with the youth movement, now isn't exactly the time- but Morales still has a shot to get on the field for the USA when the competitive games start back up. That's the gold cup and then after that World Cup qualifying. Morales always plays with an edge and i like that in a player. Perhaps something happened behind the scenes with USA and morales...

db707
Post #49
Wednesday September 5, 2018 9:21pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 700
bjelks's fawning over him aside, I'm fine with giving Morales another look, particularly in November with the games in Europe. Williams was captain last time he was called in, it should be noted. He's largely been injured or otherwise not available for the call-ups since.

cleancutimage
Post #50
Thursday September 6, 2018 3:49am

Joined Oct 2013
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Remember, we have an interim manager that has no idea about the dual nationals. Once we get a permanent manager that isn't Sarachan, guys like Morales, Williams will be back in the mix. Sarachan is an MLS, US youth set up guy entirely. He has no clue about the dual nationals. He is just picking who he knows best.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #51
Thursday September 6, 2018 5:14pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,800
Original post from cleancutimage

Remember, we have an interim manager that has no idea about the dual nationals. Once we get a permanent manager that isn't Sarachan, guys like Morales, Williams will be back in the mix. Sarachan is an MLS, US youth set up guy entirely. He has no clue about the dual nationals. He is just picking who he knows best.


I don't believe this at all. Sarachan has a good handle on dual nationals. Otherwise he wouldn't be calling up the likes of Julian Green.

Lilshmike
Post #52
Thursday September 6, 2018 5:29pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 817
Original post from 2tone

I don't believe this at all. Sarachan has a good handle on dual nationals. Otherwise he wouldn't be calling up the likes of Julian Green.
Don't forget Saief, Brooks, and Robinson. Could even make a stretch and say Manneh too.

cleancutimage
Post #53
Thursday September 6, 2018 7:20pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Green was a player playing very well for his club toward the end of the season playing in a position we do are not very strong again. So it was good timing for Green and just a continuation of Sarachan going with who he is comfortable with because I don't think Green has a league goal yet this season.

Saief was an Arena call up, we all know Sarachan is an Arena disciple so that is a continuation of that.

Brooks is an obvious choice. He would basically say 'fire me' if he didn't select a healthy Brooks unless Brooks or his club turned down the invite.

Robinson is the one he can claim and he is in a position we badly need locked down so I think it is more out of need than him picking his favorite player. If there was an MLS LB who could hold down the LB spot, I think Robinson would be an after thought for Sarachan. Obviously that is hypothetical but I am glad we don't have a lockdown LB in MLS yet.

Manneh is an MLS-developed guy nothing outside the box there. That's why I said Sarachan has no idea. He isn't really going out on a limb or working day and night during his tenure to win over more dual nationals that are out there for the taking. If he really wants this job and takes this job seriously then he would be constantly on the dual nat trail trying to win these guys over.

I have given him credit for being better with the national team than I ever thought but he doesn't have the name or resume to attract fringe dual national, I mean. Klinsmann did, Berhalter played at the highest level in Europe, he does as well. Ramos is a bilingual guy who also played abroad.

Lilshmike
Post #54
Thursday September 6, 2018 7:24pm

Joined Oct 2012
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@cleancutimage

Fair points. I agree too, he has exceeded my initial expectations for him as a manager.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #55
Thursday September 6, 2018 8:28pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
Original post from cleancutimage

Remember, we have an interim manager that has no idea about the dual nationals. Once we get a permanent manager that isn't Sarachan, guys like Morales, Williams will be back in the mix. Sarachan is an MLS, US youth set up guy entirely. He has no clue about the dual nationals. He is just picking who he knows best.

Uh. D Will has played under Sarachan. And then has been injured since March.

cleancutimage
Post #56
Thursday September 6, 2018 8:57pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from kicksNgiggles10

Uh. D Will has played under Sarachan. And then has been injured since March.


It doesn't take a rocket scientist to pick a starter or at least a guy playing matches for an Premier League club to be picked on a roster. Let's not act like Sarachan picking Robinson, Williams, or any other dual national is from him being such a great manager. Robinson is really the only new guy and even he was with the youth set up under the Klinsmann regime. So most of these guys are continuity guys.

Where Sarachan can be given credit for it trying out new talent and not continuing to go with the old guard like Altidore, Bradley and rightfully so. Bradley and Altidore and that core will be there if we ever need them. Now is the time to integrate new talent without much pressure added. There is where I agree with him not for his minimal infusion of dual nationals.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #57
Thursday September 6, 2018 10:09pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,800
Original post from cleancutimage

Green was a player playing very well for his club toward the end of the season playing in a position we do are not very strong again. So it was good timing for Green and just a continuation of Sarachan going with who he is comfortable with because I don't think Green has a league goal yet this season.

Saief was an Arena call up, we all know Sarachan is an Arena disciple so that is a continuation of that.

Brooks is an obvious choice. He would basically say 'fire me' if he didn't select a healthy Brooks unless Brooks or his club turned down the invite.

Robinson is the one he can claim and he is in a position we badly need locked down so I think it is more out of need than him picking his favorite player. If there was an MLS LB who could hold down the LB spot, I think Robinson would be an after thought for Sarachan. Obviously that is hypothetical but I am glad we don't have a lockdown LB in MLS yet.

Manneh is an MLS-developed guy nothing outside the box there. That's why I said Sarachan has no idea. He isn't really going out on a limb or working day and night during his tenure to win over more dual nationals that are out there for the taking. If he really wants this job and takes this job seriously then he would be constantly on the dual nat trail trying to win these guys over.

I have given him credit for being better with the national team than I ever thought but he doesn't have the name or resume to attract fringe dual national, I mean. Klinsmann did, Berhalter played at the highest level in Europe, he does as well. Ramos is a bilingual guy who also played abroad.


And what fringe dual nationals are out there? Siebatcheu is the only one. Everyone knows about Morales and D-Will. Sorry I just do not agree with your stance about Sarachan at all.

Lilshmike
Post #58
Friday September 7, 2018 12:15am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 817
Original post from 2tone

And what fringe dual nationals are out there? Siebatcheu is the only one. Everyone knows about Morales and D-Will. Sorry I just do not agree with your stance about Sarachan at all.
Ask blaise, theres a ton of dual national kids playing on teams around the world.

cleancutimage
Post #59
Friday September 7, 2018 2:37am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,230
Original post from 2tone

And what fringe dual nationals are out there? Siebatcheu is the only one. Everyone knows about Morales and D-Will. Sorry I just do not agree with your stance about Sarachan at all.


No need to agree but he is just treading water with the dual nationals. I am thinking not about what he is doing now or in the past but in and for the future. If he wants to make this job permanent he should almost make it his goal to add more dual nationals, if this means extending his scouting network and working tirelessly to see who qualifies.

Also, off topic but what type of manager is he tactically? Is he really the type of manager we want? You can say he is an innovative tactician so for that alone we are treading water because he is like every manager before him, he is just willing and has the time to play the young players but if they was during the Gold Cup or WCQ, let's not be so confident he wouldn't have the 'old guard' in there.

I just feel some people are over-valuing him as a manager because he has the time to play our young guys without the added pressure. So you are giving him credit for what he should be doing. Why do we need to play our proven guys when it has been almost a year without a meaningful game? I am willing to bet he would be a little bit more conservative with his roster if he were managing meaningful games. I would say it would be 80-90% old guard, 10-20% guys that are under age 21(excluding Pulisic)

Dave
Post #60
Friday September 7, 2018 3:52am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 912
Original post from cleancutimage

Remember, we have an interim manager that has no idea about the dual nationals. Once we get a permanent manager that isn't Sarachan, guys like Morales, Williams will be back in the mix. Sarachan is an MLS, US youth set up guy entirely. He has no clue about the dual nationals. He is just picking who he knows best.


Actually there are a number of dual nationals that USSF/Sarachan should be considering, or at the very least in contact with. We are thin at outside back, Midfield wingers, and strikers. So players between 18-25 who are eligible to represent the USA and are playing should be considered....Gotz, Siebatcheu, Scott, Tillman, etc...
I wouldn't be surprised if many of the hold overs from the last cycle aren't interested in continuing to play international matches in/against CONCACAF. Guys like Fabian, Cameron, D. Williams, Morales, etc....know that they're not likely to make the squad for the next WC, and so may choose to focus on their club careers instead of flying back to the America's for games. Where as players like Brooks, Wood, Yedlin all have a realistic shot of making the 2022 squad.

As far as guys like Williams & Morales; players who were on the fringe last cycle, and aging this one; I'm fine calling them up to provide some experience to the young players. But this should only be if they are competitive matches, or just prior to competitive matches. For instance next March & May, for a camp(s) leading up to the Gold Cup. Till then the players should be 25 and under, unless there is truly no other options (Wood, Jozy, Zardes). The way I see it I'd rather use this time, when nothing matters/counts, to give experience to players who are more likely to be around/contributing throughout this cycle. Especially if they are equal (or nearly equal) to the "Older" option(s).
Case in Point....I'd rather see McKennie, Adams, Acosta, & Hyndman called up before Williams & Morales, as all 4 are better or equal. I don't like Trapp or Rowe but can understand their inclusion due to their age as potential bridges to the next generation. Delgado & Roldan aren't great, but can add depth (3rd/4th stringers) until other younger players get up to speed (Parks, Scott, Durkin, Zelalem).
I see Williams & Morales much like Trapp & Rowe....They're bridge players at this point. They serve a purpose, but don't have a real future with the team after next summer.

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