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2tone
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Post #1
Thursday April 16, 2015 8:18pm

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Well Sepp Blatter told CONCACAF today that he wants CONCACAF to have 4 automatic berths. Of course he is looking for re-election and to be totally honest it is looking More likely he will get re-elected. Most of CONCACAF is behind him. He has the African vote and the South American vote. Most of East Asia is with him, and Europe will more than likely support him in the end.

To be honest I agree that CONCACAF should get 4 automatic berths.

admsghs27
Post #2
Thursday April 16, 2015 8:41pm

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So is gonna be 4.5 then ??

2tone
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Post #3
Thursday April 16, 2015 9:36pm

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No. Just 4 automatic berths.

USsoccerfan90
Post #4
Friday April 17, 2015 12:33am

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Did he say where that other half spot is going to come from? It doesn't seem so simple. Right now there are 4 confederations that have a half spot; CONCACAF, South America, Asia and Oceania. That is Oceania's only half spot so it won't be taken away and I don't see them giving us South America's half spot, so the only logical way this happens is if we get Asia's.

MSantoine
Post #5
Friday April 17, 2015 11:11am

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I think he's saying that because he wants to expand to 40 teams. Out of the 8 new spots we get 0.5. He's being very manipulative.

Seriously. How is it that qualifying can have already started, and 14 teams already eliminated, and we still dont have officially how many teams will qualify from each federation. Its a joke.

USAGunner
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Post #6
Friday April 17, 2015 1:46pm

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I'm for 40 teams. 5 teams in a group instead of 4? Means a lot more extra games to watch and dissect. As long as they keep the Knockout stage intact.
1-Host Country (Russia)
5-Asia
6-Africa
5-Concacaf
6-ConMebol
1-OFC
16-UEFA

I would design the draw like this. Top 8 teams are drawn first. Then the next 8 teams are drawn. (that way we don't have 4 of the best teams in one group and only 1 in another.

For the draw there are 2 rules. 1-there must be 2 UEFA teams in every group (this year will have 1 group with 3). 2-no other confederation can have more than 1 in a group.

I just like having 32 more World Cup games to watch...
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2tone
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Post #7
Friday April 17, 2015 4:44pm

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No Blatter stated that he wants CONCACAF to have 4 berths even for the 2018 WC edition.

40 teams?

with 10 groups

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2 teams from each group would make it 20 teams for the second round. Basically you are creating an uneven later rounds/team structure with 40 teams.

No it needs to stay at 32 teams.

MSantoine
Post #8
Friday April 17, 2015 4:55pm

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Original post from USAGunner

I'm for 40 teams. 5 teams in a group instead of 4? Means a lot more extra games to watch and dissect. As long as they keep the Knockout stage intact.
1-Host Country (Russia)
5-Asia
6-Africa
5-Concacaf
6-ConMebol
1-OFC
16-UEFA

I would design the draw like this. Top 8 teams are drawn first. Then the next 8 teams are drawn. (that way we don't have 4 of the best teams in one group and only 1 in another.

For the draw there are 2 rules. 1-there must be 2 UEFA teams in every group (this year will have 1 group with 3). 2-no other confederation can have more than 1 in a group.

I just like having 32 more World Cup games to watch...


I think there are too many hurdles and obstacles and I think if FIFA expanded theyd bungle it up. Here are my concerns with expanding to 40.

1) Redistirbution of spots. I dont think FIFA would do it right. I think CONCACAF stays with 4 bids, UEFA goes to 14/15, CONMEBOL goes to 6, CAF and AFC go to 8 and 7.5 (other .5 to OFC). Theyve been paying lip service to CAF and AFC too much.

2) Although extra world cup games are nice. If its Israel vs Uzbekistan the interest will wane. Right now there's very few games your ok with not watching. Almost every game has at least one superstar. We expand, we lose that.

3) There's perfect symetry with the group stage. Two groups play there games each day, every 4 days you play. With 4 groups of 5 one team goes 8 days without playing each week, or teams start to get squeezed into less rest. That will drop the quality of play. Id rather see 10 groups of 4 then 8 groups of 5.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #9
Friday April 17, 2015 9:21pm

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Original post from 2tone

No Blatter stated that he wants CONCACAF to have 4 berths even for the 2018 WC edition.

40 teams?

with 10 groups

A
B
C
D
E
F
G
H
I
J

2 teams from each group would make it 20 teams for the second round. Basically you are creating an uneven later rounds/team structure with 40 teams.

No it needs to stay at 32 teams.


It wouldn't be 10 groups of 4, they said it would be 8 groups of 5. That is one of the known things. So it would still be the first 2 in each group and giving you 16 in the knockout rounds.

I don't think it would be bad teams necessarily (unless they bungled it up and added a bunch of Asian/African teams.

If you look at the 2014 World Cup.
The 8 extra teams (if it was how I outlined it above) would be:

Venezuela - pretty decent team (most of starters play over seas in big leagues)

Panama - not a good team but wouldn't get ran out of the building would be competitive

Tunisia (based on being the highest ranked CAF team that did not make it) - Also not a bad team with quite a few Europe Big league guys (France, Germany mostly).

Jordan - The one team that is added that would be out of place. Asia really doesn't need any more than the 4 they have. If anything should go to South America...

New Zealand - would be a bad team, but has some players that play in Europe good leagues. Wouldn't be competitive, but wouldn't get laughed out the building.

Sweden - Adds Zlatan to the WC, One of biggest stars in the world. A good team that would compete very well.

Ukraine - always a tough out and a good team.

Romania - Currently a top 8 team in the FIFA rankings. So a pretty good team.

Iceland - a decent team as well.

So I don't think it would water down the competition any more than letting 4 Asian teams in does already.
Now if they were to add 2-3 extra Asian and African teams then it would be bad.

Adding Zlatan would be enough as it is.

Other teams that are on the fringe and could make it in with my new format. Teams like Wales (Bale and Ramsey), etc.
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Post #10
Saturday April 18, 2015 1:13am

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Original post from 2tone

Well Sepp Blatter told CONCACAF today that he wants CONCACAF to have 4 automatic berths. Of course he is looking for re-election and to be totally honest it is looking More likely he will get re-elected. Most of CONCACAF is behind him. He has the African vote and the South American vote. Most of East Asia is with him, and Europe will more than likely support him in the end.

To be honest I agree that CONCACAF should get 4 automatic berths.


Forgive my cynicism, Blatter is a bureaucrat and politician doing what all do, pandering for votes to be re-elected. Unless there is expansion there is no logical impetus to expand the concacaf allocation for the World Cup at the expense of more populous or more lucrative potential areas. Do you really think they'd give up for example an Asian nation for Panama or the like? It isn't about fairness or regions which deserve it most it is about the most viewers and profit and adding an additional guaranteed half spot to concacaf without expansion of the entire field does not accomplish that goal. Before others point out the hypocrisy of then awarding Qatar the wold cup, true it doesn't into itself align with this goal but it does align with the profitably one just on a corruption level rather than adding to the overall Fifa coffers.

TheTruth
Post #11
Saturday April 18, 2015 8:49pm

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Sepp Blatter should be put in prison, not re-elected.

Regarding expansion, everyone knows that it's a crime that UEFA doesn't have a couple more teams. But they can't/won't because it has to be a "world" cup. More teams from AFC, CONCACAF, and CAF is a joke. But if it means that Ireland & Sweden can make the WC then I guess I can live w/ it. Sorry guys, Wales still ain't going to make it. When is the last time they made the Euros?

I do think you need to stick to 16 teams in the knockout stages, which would be difficult. If more teams means more games per team it helps the big time countries since depth would become even more important.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #12
Saturday April 18, 2015 9:09pm

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Uefa has to many teams as is. IMO.

TheTruth
Post #13
Sunday April 19, 2015 10:38pm

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So how often do you think the US would qualify for the WC if they were in UEFA?

MSantoine
Post #14
Monday April 20, 2015 11:51am

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Original post from TheTruth

So how often do you think the US would qualify for the WC if they were in UEFA?


Why does that matter?

If your only the 15th best team in Europe, then why should you be given a chance to be the world cup champion. Take care of business in your region.

To me its like college basketball. I dont want the 9th place big east team or acc team to make the tourney. Over 30 games they proved to only be 9th best out of 16, or 14, or whatever.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #15
Monday April 20, 2015 1:53pm

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Original post from TheTruth

Sepp Blatter should be put in prison, not re-elected.

Regarding expansion, everyone knows that it's a crime that UEFA doesn't have a couple more teams. But they can't/won't because it has to be a "world" cup. More teams from AFC, CONCACAF, and CAF is a joke. But if it means that Ireland & Sweden can make the WC then I guess I can live w/ it. Sorry guys, Wales still ain't going to make it. When is the last time they made the Euros?

I do think you need to stick to 16 teams in the knockout stages, which would be difficult. If more teams means more games per team it helps the big time countries since depth would become even more important.


You do realize that half-way through qualifiers that they are on pace to qualify for Euro 2016. As long as Bale, Ramsey, Williams are available they will be in good position to do so...
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