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Post #46
Monday June 1, 2015 6:45pm

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Original post from USAGunner

Biggest thing I notice with this roster is no Morris. Which was sure to be the case as it would be a real quick turnaround for him to play 4 games in 9 days with the U-23 and then 3 days later play a game for the USMNT, and then 4 days layer play again. IE 6 games in 16 days.

Why is that the biggest thing? That is 2 more USMNT games he misses and puts his timeline for possibly getting a British Work Permit (if needed) back to like March/April of 2016. So you can forget about Morris playing 2015-16 in the UK. He may sign for another club in Europe (Eredivisie/Bundesliga please), but not UK. Unless they sign him and put him on loan for a year (always a possibility).


As excited as you sound about the potential of Morris career, this is kind of sad that's the biggest thing you notice. A 20 year old playing collegiate soccer is seen as one of the major players in our national team. It feels like we are in 1990 all over again. He shouldn't even be a thought in our national team at this point in his career. I know it was his decision to go to college but if he was that great, he would be playing in Europe at this stage in his career in one of the major leagues. Let's take it easy on him and allow him to progress. He is not a sure thing at this point in his career. Still relatively new to this stage.

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Post #47
Monday June 1, 2015 6:47pm

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That said, I think the biggest omission is Feilhaber based on form. Feilhaber has always had the flair but like a few others couldn't exactly put it together in the national team. I was actually going to say he should give Europe one last shot but then I saw he was 30(how time flies, I still think he is like 26-27) but we do have to develop some strikers quickly, our pool is relatively shallow and unproven.

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Post #48
Monday June 1, 2015 6:54pm

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I would like to go through JK's mind when he is making roster selections. He doesn't seem much different than his predecessors. Ie. he plays it safe, has his 'favorites'. I know we are not the most talented national team but there are players that do well for their club ie. Ream, Feilhaber that he always seems to neglect for players who are not better or doing so well for their club ie. Evans(done at this level), Beckerman(done at this level), Ibarra(we just haven't seen enough of him, he seems to be just a camp player)

USAGunner
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Post #49
Monday June 1, 2015 7:22pm

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cleancutimage,

what does any of what you said have to do with what I said?
I didn't say him being left out was a surprise, or he should have been included. I didn't say that he is some sure-fire future stud. None of that.
It's just that WHERE he is going to go play (Stay in MLS, go to Europe, stay in college, etc) is one of the bigger story lines. His being excluded (which was expected) makes a big impact on what he'll be able to do.
So therefore I noticed that. Other than that it's a Friendly game in June ahead of the GOld Cup where we are playing with house money. Therefore the rest of the selections are just ho-hum (and honestly Morris' exclusion is slightly above ho-hum). The selections for this are otherwise not important. There were no major exclusions or inclusions. Pretty ordinary stuff.

As far as young guys being called in over Brad evans. Most of the young guys that are of value that could have been called in are in either the U-20 WC or the U-23 Toulon tournament. Between those 2 tournaments and the injuries/other reasons for absences (Dempsey's child being born) there isn't much to see here. Pretty straight forward.
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hamsamwich
Post #50
Monday June 1, 2015 7:35pm

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I want to see Alfredo Morales again. I like that guys attitude.

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Post #51
Monday June 1, 2015 7:37pm

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Original post from USAGunner

cleancutimage,

what does any of what you said have to do with what I said?
I didn't say him being left out was a surprise, or he should have been included. I didn't say that he is some sure-fire future stud. None of that.
It's just that WHERE he is going to go play (Stay in MLS, go to Europe, stay in college, etc) is one of the bigger story lines. His being excluded (which was expected) makes a big impact on what he'll be able to do.
So therefore I noticed that. Other than that it's a Friendly game in June ahead of the GOld Cup where we are playing with house money. Therefore the rest of the selections are just ho-hum (and honestly Morris' exclusion is slightly above ho-hum). The selections for this are otherwise not important. There were no major exclusions or inclusions. Pretty ordinary stuff.

As far as young guys being called in over Brad evans. Most of the young guys that are of value that could have been called in are in either the U-20 WC or the U-23 Toulon tournament. Between those 2 tournaments and the injuries/other reasons for absences (Dempsey's child being born) there isn't much to see here. Pretty straight forward.


My point is I just think Morris should not be a major factor in our national team at this point in his career, regardless if it is for his career enhancement. I don't think he is at that level to compete with the big guns at a major tournament. Not saying he isn't talented. Just don't think he should be that much of a factor. Nor are any of the young guns, even Zelalem and to even add Green. They are not at that level. Like I said we are not a deep national team in terms of top talent so we have to get in where we fit in but we are good enough to the point we shouldn't have to rely on 20 year olds in college or who are not starters on their club week in and week out. It wasn't a dig at you, it was more of a dig at the pool we have. Yes, our pool is pretty ho-hum but I almost rather pull a Spain(yes, I realize we are not at Spain's level) and not play with any strikers if that is the case.

2tone
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Post #52
Monday June 1, 2015 9:50pm

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I think there is a strong possibility Morris will get called in for the Germany friendly. The U-23's are done with the Toulon tournament tomorrow. It's hard to see them getting the second spot behind France and playing in the third place game at this point.

Klinsmann left it at 22 players. Generally JK likes to create a 23 man roster even for friendlies.

Morris is already in Europe which makes it easy for him to just transition over to the senior team for the Germany friendly if Klinsmann decides to bring him in.

And yes I still think Morris is in contention for the Gold Cup, especially if Agudelo, Zardes, and Wood don't necessarily have good games against Holland or Germany.

Does Morris deserve to be called up for the Gold Cup? You can make a case that he does and you can make a case that he doesn't. But Morris can play at the USMNT level. He has already shown that.

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Post #53
Monday June 1, 2015 10:03pm

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Original post from 2tone

I think there is a strong possibility Morris will get called in for the Germany friendly. The U-23's are done with the Toulon tournament tomorrow. It's hard to see them getting the second spot behind France and playing in the third place game at this point.

Klinsmann left it at 22 players. Generally JK likes to create a 23 man roster even for friendlies.

Morris is already in Europe which makes it easy for him to just transition over to the senior team for the Germany friendly if Klinsmann decides to bring him in.

And yes I still think Morris is in contention for the Gold Cup, especially if Agudelo, Zardes, and Wood don't necessarily have good games against Holland or Germany.

Does Morris deserve to be called up for the Gold Cup? You can make a case that he does and you can make a case that he doesn't. But Morris can play at the USMNT level. He has already shown that.


What has he done to show he can play at this level? Scored a goal against a watered down Mexico? Everyone knows that USA just matches up well against Mexico despite the superior individual talent and depth they have. We seem to always get up for that match other than the 2009 Gold Cup final. I am not completely sold on Morris. He is an interesting product and has the world ahead of him but to say he can play at this level is premature. If he does get called in for the Germany friendly and Gold Cup and does well then I will personally eat my words. Germany is the standard, a B squad Mexico isn't.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #54
Monday June 1, 2015 10:15pm

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Klinsmann seems to think he can play at the International level already. He has been called into 4 camps since the WC: starting once above Agudelo against a B Mexico team, and coming on as a sub in a couple more games.

I know it's difficult for some to think a College player should be getting minutes, but this is my motto: If they are good enough they are old enough and it doesn't matter if they are first division players or College players.

I am not saying Morris will be a starter if he was to be selected for the Gold Cup team, but having that type of pace/dribbling ability along with his outstanding first touch that he has and his versatility in attack, would be a hell of a weapon to have on the bench.

The only person that really matters who needs to be sold on any player is Klinsmann.

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Post #55
Monday June 1, 2015 10:43pm

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Ham-
I don't know if I can suggest anyone to replace Zardes or Diskeruud that would be a hands-down winner. It also depends on how JK is going to send them out there, from forward to wing to 10, 8 or 6.

Davies, Bruin, Feilhaber, Shipp, Powers, Finlay?
Idk who to suggest for Mix at a #6 spot

hamsamwich
Post #56
Wednesday June 3, 2015 1:53pm

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As far as my boy Harry Shipp goes, these next three Fire games will tell the story of how he's doing. No Maloney who has been called up to Scotland- so Harry gets to play in his preferred #10 role.

We all are in deep with this u20 WC- normally this thread would be more significant as we play the Dutch and Germans.

Juan Agudelo and Aron Johansson: Juan has the athleticism that Jozy doesn't have, meaning he can do the 1-2s and interplay with Johansson, AND then use his speed to get in behind. Really looking forward to it- I hope Jurgen starts those two and not Wood or Zardes.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #57
Wednesday June 3, 2015 2:20pm

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Per a US soccer Jersey number picture it looks like Morris has been added to the roster. Morris will be wearing #8.

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Post #58
Wednesday June 3, 2015 2:20pm

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Morris added to the roster for these friendlies
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Post #59
Wednesday June 3, 2015 2:54pm

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Great to see Morris added. Id rather see him be the first forward off the bench than Wood.

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Post #60
Wednesday June 3, 2015 3:00pm

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Bob Wood is the poster child for what everyone wants: super athletic and skilled American sacks up and goes abroad, and gets his hands dirty from the bottom up. Why all the hate on Bob Wood? At least this time he's been scoring and assisting. Guy has made smart runs, has good technical abitity and is built like a tank. You will learn to love him says Jurgen.

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