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admsghs27
Post #526
Friday June 12, 2015 6:48am

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Original post from andylui8

And Bradley is being forced to play the attacking role by Jurgen and doing well at it


He ain't being forced JK finally found out where he best excels.. Obviously had helped from within.. Including Bradley he had a talk with him and also who he likes as his partners.. This is Bradley's team he can ask for what players he wants around and JK has to grant him that.

Live490
Texas
Post #527
Friday June 12, 2015 8:22am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
Beckerman is an extremely intelligent player who has mental quickness, which helps him beat out players who are better than him physically. Didn't he play vs Mexico twice already in the April friendlies? And the Mexican commentators loved him. Just how they were in awe with Benny in 2005. He is like a Gago or Van Bommel.. Again, not in the same category. Torrado. Fantastic distribution, not your toe, high, and far destroyer. More finess in breaking up the play already thinking of what comes next. He'll do the dirty work too.

MSantoine
Post #528
Friday June 12, 2015 11:32am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from admsghs27

He ain't being forced JK finally found out where he best excels.. Obviously had helped from within.. Including Bradley he had a talk with him and also who he likes as his partners.. This is Bradley's team he can ask for what players he wants around and JK has to grant him that.


Everytime I think Ive heard the dumbest thing someone can say you go and top yourself. Well done sir.

Rey Regicide
Post #529
Friday June 12, 2015 12:48pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Speaking of CDM's if we play a team with two CDM's like MExico did against us in the second half where our diamond was showcased to the world for the first time, there goes Bradley's functionality. Also look at Portugal game. They trotted out the lone CDM William Carvalho. and he had help to marshall with Moutinho. Totally made Bradley look like a noob. That's when a Nguyen or Feilhaber makes more sense. Someone better in tigther spaces, but perhaps not the same range.

It's all about matchups, I get what Blaise is saying but often times things don't add up linearly. Like if it were all about scoring, then you would just field 10 attackers. I think they did that in the early 1800's, Jonathan Wilson is a GREAT resource for the logic behind our current tactics and the history of it. And he describes the inversion of the pyramid where we had 10 attackers and 1 defender, and now we basically have 3 dedicated attackers and 7 for the mnost part, defenders behind the ball.

Rey Regicide
Post #530
Friday June 12, 2015 12:58pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Also the switch from a man marking mentality to a zonal man to just zonal marking scheme we see today. I mean it's crazy to think that at one point the world played straight man to man but that's what it was. If you had a number 10 then you had a number 2 that guarded you, that's how England played in the 40's up to the 50's. So when the Hungarians played a more cerebral game where they moved the ball with passing instead of dribbling, they DESTROYED England.

Also it was funny to read stuff like the english being confused that the no. 10 would move into the no. 5 position and the no. 7's and 11's or whoever the wings were would advance into the vacated spot, they thought it was dishonest LOL.

cudevil
Post #531
Friday June 12, 2015 1:15pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 993
Original post from blaise213

I like players that have technical skill that challenge a player 1 vs 1. I don't like defensive midfielders that pass backwards.

I applaud Bradley for going at players. Every goal scored was the result of Bradley making a move to get past a defender. Now imagine if we had two players in the midfield doing the same thing ? Thats what world class teams do.... attack


First, time of possession is about the most overratic stat there is.

Second, how does it make sense that a player who allegedly only passes backwards hurts the team's ability to possess the ball?

Rey Regicide
Post #532
Friday June 12, 2015 1:22pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Original post from cudevil

First, time of possession is about the most overratic stat there is.

Second, how does it make sense that a player who allegedly only passes backwards hurts the team's ability to possess the ball?


You know what's funny about passing backwards, the best pass you can make and probably the most likely is the pass back flick when you come for the ball as a no. 9 or even a 10, then your job is to open yourself up as a target for the guy you just flicked to or the guy he flicks to. See this is one touch football.

Receiving the ball and then exposing the ball to the defender by making a turn just leads to more trouble. You ONLY do that if you are wide open. In international games against world class teams, this will.not.happen in the middle of the field. THIS was Ricardo Clark's fault in the Ghana game, Bradley gave him a quick short pass expecting either Clark to pass to the RB or right back to him so that he could give it to someone else, possibly behind the guy who stripped Clark who was now out of position. Instead Clark exposes the ball to the goal side where he got stripped, I don't expect ANYONE to out dribble someone coming at you 100 miles an hour. Get the ball off your feet quickly. It should be 80 percent of the time that our defenders are looking at mankind in front of them, if you pass them the ball they should identify the open man who, hope to god, had enough sense to make himself open. This is playing out of the back through defenders, which is why Brooks Alvarado even Orozco are integral to our going forward, and the onyewu's and Bocanegra's are getting weeded out.

Live490
Texas
Post #533
Friday June 12, 2015 3:35pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
I do not need to know if you are extremely skillful on the ball Rey, but your understanding of the simplest concept yet hardest to do makes me have no doubts I would have you on my team.

hamsamwich
Post #534
Friday June 12, 2015 3:44pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Beckerman made fans all over the world with his play and more importantly, trademark dreads. Nobody has dreadlocks like Beckerman on the international scene right now. With Mix as his co pilot we got the hair game on lock. The fact they can play helps, because people get to know them. Like the new Nedved or for the just a bit older crowd, Valderrama.

Arriola is the u20 understudy that hopes to join the group. Beckham-esque that hair.

Rey Regicide
Post #535
Friday June 12, 2015 5:09pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from Live490

I do not need to know if you are extremely skillful on the ball Rey, but your understanding of the simplest concept yet hardest to do makes me have no doubts I would have you on my team.


Well I first learned how to play at 5 years ago soooooo if you did, yea I would keep my mouth shut about that fact, but you would definitely be better off trying someone else first lol

Thanks, I don't think my technique is bad, it's actually good, probably not as good as blaise, but that's mostly because I feel that much more important than what i can do with the ball is where i can put it.

You know what's a harder concept to grasp? the energy on the ball. It's frustrating some times teaching kids, and at times i feel that if kids had exposure to other sports they have a different mind state when it comes to soccer. Like in baseball, football, basketball you name it, they teach you to smother the ball. you have to be strong with the ball, you have to be secure etc etc make sure you hold onto the ball. In soccer yes you want to trap at times, but sometimes you want to let the ball run, possession of the ball is more of a concept than an actual literal state. Someone who gets caught in a mark should feel free to blast it to me, get it to me as soon as possible, and i will do my best to take energy off and deflect it to a teammate, or take NO energy off and let the ball run as my mark comes towards me. But during all this, in the time he was struggling to stay in possession I have to do my duty to the team to survey my landscape and identify the safe places, waaaaaaaaay before i get the ball. If I get the ball and i trap and i try to find someone it's too late. And generally the safest place is someone who is looking at the goal at the defense coming towards him (notice who almost NEVER worries about what's behind him, wingers and defenders =D B ball is kinda the same, it's amazing how much stuff does carry over). I think BRadley had a play liek that in the german game, MLS soccer .com website did something on it, where it hit mix I think with a pass and mix backpassed cause he got pressured and IMMEDIATELY Bradley sends it to someone who is behind Mix and his mark, FJ on the left wing. At least I think those were the guys involved. This wasn't the goal, this was a simple switch.

Rey Regicide
Post #536
Friday June 12, 2015 5:15pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from hamsamwich

Beckerman made fans all over the world with his play and more importantly, trademark dreads. Nobody has dreadlocks like Beckerman on the international scene right now. With Mix as his co pilot we got the hair game on lock. The fact they can play helps, because people get to know them. Like the new Nedved or for the just a bit older crowd, Valderrama.

Arriola is the u20 understudy that hopes to join the group. Beckham-esque that hair.


Beckerman looks like a European player, the way he makes every touch simple. He is incredibly limited athletically. There is no question. But that's why he has to think ahead, but he's not thinking about making the team go forward, that's Bradley's job. Some teams have 2 of those attack minded players, like the old days of Barcelona, I feel that's what Tab should be encouraging with Hyndman and Zelalem. They can be, functionally, like those guys. Speaking nothing of skill or ability.

Live490
Texas
Post #537
Friday June 12, 2015 7:22pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
Lol spot on Ham, imagine of Cobi Jones was there still.. And Rey perfect way of saying. When using the own strength if which the ball ks coming to you from the pass, you dont even have to make a huge leg movement, simplly the foot can add distance, spin, or whatever you need. Not a pass but a goal for a good example is that Edmundo goal in 2000 club cup or the Teddy one..

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #538
Monday June 15, 2015 7:56pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Was just looking at Goal Rates for the USMNT. I know there is faults in Goals per game, etc.

However people on here give Jozy a lot of crap.
As of right now he is essentially our 3rd most prolific goal scorer of all time.
LD scored a goal about every 2.75 games.
CD scores a goal about every 2.8 games
JA scores a goal about every 2.9 games.
Everyone else is well above 3.0 games (that have any decent amount of Caps).

Agudelo is like 6.7 and AJ is like 4.0

just an FYI
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Know Nothing
Post #539
Monday June 15, 2015 8:02pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,724
Original post from USAGunner

Was just looking at Goal Rates for the USMNT. I know there is faults in Goals per game, etc.

However people on here give Jozy a lot of crap.
As of right now he is essentially our 3rd most prolific goal scorer of all time.
LD scored a goal about every 2.75 games.
CD scores a goal about every 2.8 games
JA scores a goal about every 2.9 games.
Everyone else is well above 3.0 games (that have any decent amount of Caps).

Agudelo is like 6.7 and AJ is like 4.0

just an FYI


Interesting, but this is a simple stat and does not give the entire picture (as most stats never do). Jozy tends to score in bunches then disappear for a while. To measure effectiveness you would have to take that stat into account as well as avg games between goals scored.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #540
Monday June 15, 2015 8:07pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from Know Nothing

Interesting, but this is a simple stat and does not give the entire picture (as most stats never do). Jozy tends to score in bunches then disappear for a while. To measure effectiveness you would have to take that stat into account as well as avg games between goals scored.


Agreed, that's why I said it was faulty.
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