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Post #1
Wednesday April 15, 2015 6:35pm

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With Jurgen Klopp leaving Dortmund, what does that mean for our internationals at the club?

Not that I've ever really paid close attention to the club but Klopp seems to be a manager that is willing to give a chance to his youth players. (e.g. Joe Gyau)

A lot of US fans have been looking forward to Gyau's return and the development of Junior Flores and Christian Pulisic. I personally think Klopp leaving will affect Gyau and Flores much more than Pulisic. Pulisic seems like a player who has the highest ceiling and will succeed regardless of a managerial change.

What do you guys think? Should US fans be worried?

USAGunner
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Post #2
Wednesday April 15, 2015 6:55pm

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Just depends on who Dortmund hires to replace him. I would imagine they will have to hire someone who is reliant on the youth and developing players. They don't have the money to compete with Munich and keep big name players, so if they want to compete they will need a manager who will play the young talented guys and bring them up.
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Post #3
Wednesday April 15, 2015 9:40pm

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Bruce Arena. Or Bob Bradley. According to some, they're the greatest coaches in history.
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Post #4
Wednesday April 15, 2015 10:39pm

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It all depends on who Dortmund hire. But it's on Gyau, Flores, and Pulisic to show well for the new manager.

I would imagine the Dortmund brass will be looking for a manager from the Bundesliga, but I wouldn't be surprised if they look at possibly Paul Lambert who is a former Dortmund player and is being linked to the job.

MSantoine
Post #5
Thursday April 16, 2015 11:53am

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Id say its not a good thing. Coaches in soccer always bring in "their" guys. Maybe Gyau and Flores can prove to the new manager that they play the right style and can become "their" guys but its a much harder path now.

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Post #6
Friday April 17, 2015 1:53pm

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I'll be the glass half "whatever you're not taking" guy.

How about Klopp goes to a a very strong team that doesn't have an infinite budget and is on board with his vision that you build a team from scratch.

If Klopp truly believes in Flores, then he will view it as an opportunity to take him for cheap especially if he's not going to be valued with the new regime.

Definitely with Pulisic, he might have a direct relationship with the kid, and might already be telling him, why don't you come with me?

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #7
Friday April 17, 2015 9:27pm

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Rey,

If we are doing stuff like that. Why not dream that Klopp can go to a team like you say and take Pulisic, Gyau, Flores, and then add guys like Green, Hyndman, Trapp, Zelalem, Nagbe, etc. Create a young team and just build them up. Maybe a Fulham. Start them out in the Championship, let them grow for 2 years, the advance to the Premier League. Set the world on fire. (If it was Fulham he wouldn't have to by Hyndman). Maybe get Cropper for the GK.
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Post #8
Thursday April 7, 2016 10:40pm

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Original post from USAGunner

Rey,

If we are doing stuff like that. Why not dream that Klopp can go to a team like you say and take Pulisic, Gyau, Flores, and then add guys like Green, Hyndman, Trapp, Zelalem, Nagbe, etc. Create a young team and just build them up. Maybe a Fulham. Start them out in the Championship, let them grow for 2 years, the advance to the Premier League. Set the world on fire. (If it was Fulham he wouldn't have to by Hyndman). Maybe get Cropper for the GK.


=D

Because Klopp didn't comment on Flores etc and the other guys, but i do think we might see Hyndman Zelalem and wood break through in the premier league next year, in fact I guaransheed it by next year we will have one of those there.

Also Pulisic skill level was set to boss at the age of 15. his eye test score was infinite.

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Post #9
Friday April 8, 2016 2:45am

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Did you really just reply to a comment from last year like it was a recent comment?

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Post #10
Friday April 8, 2016 12:51pm

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nah it's not a recent comment, I recently reposted it because I felt strongly that Klopp would take his man crush on Pulisic with him...

I like to think I was somewhat right, granted I don't want him moving to Liverpool, just that these things happen and since it seems to be happening wtih Pulisic, it validates alot of the rumors that pulisic is a highly rated commodity

also validates my being a soccer nostradamus

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #11
Friday April 8, 2016 1:42pm

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I don't see Zelalem playing in the Premier League next year. He's still a few years away. I can see him being loaned out to Rangers again or a Championship side. But not a Premier League team. And he definitely won't be in Arsenal's first team squad. Not with Coquelin, Elneny, Ramsey, Ozil, Sanchez, Cazorla, Ox, Wilshere, Iwobi, Campbell, Gnabry, and a few others all more ready to play for them. They are too talented in the midfield at the moment and Zelalem is still not physically mature enough or just ready period for EPL play. He'll get there. But not next year.

Wood won't be. He'll still be in Seattle next year. Maybe Hyndman.
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Post #12
Friday April 8, 2016 2:10pm

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In spite of what Wenger is saying?

It's definitely a long shot I admit, but damnit, ...

The only ones i see in competition with Zelalem are Ramsey, Wilshere, Cazorla, maybe Ozil

Those are guys who are going to be creative types, recessed from the front line. I don't see Gedion as a 10, I'm making a bold prediction that neither does Wenger. More like a craftier more creative Arteta type.

MSantoine
Post #13
Friday April 8, 2016 3:34pm

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I agree with both of you guys. I think GZ has less competition than you think, and also that his role is more in that Bradley type then playmaking #10.

I also, if I had to bet money, would think he'll either do one more year at Rangers or go to a high end Championship squad (team that loses in promotion playoffs) or a recently promoted team like Middleboro or Burnley

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #14
Friday April 8, 2016 4:27pm

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Wenger rates a lot of people. He speaks highly (more highly) of guys like Reine-Adelaide than he does Zelalem.

With what Arsenal is running right now (prefered formation) there isn't really room for Zelalem. He essentially has 2 6's, a 10, and 2 classic Wingers. Zelalem just doesn't fit into any of those roles. That is why Ramsey is on the outside looking in (bench). With the emergence of Elneny and Iwobi, Cazorla is likely to be in the same boat when he comes back too. BUT Cazorla and Ramsey are able to play on the wing more than Zelalem can.

Zelalem isn't getting time right now for Rangers, sub appearance here and there as the season progresses. There is almost ZERO chance he is with the Arsenal first team next year. He needs another year of professional football and a higher level. Why I think he'll either stay with Rangers or go to a Championship side.

Best case scenario in terms of him playing at Arsenal, is he stays and trains with them, and then near the end of the season as players are injured or needing rest, he'll get some chances. It'll be up to him to capitalize on them.

Wenger rates him, obviously. He sells people he doesn't rate, he doesn't loan them. He gives them time and if they are ready he absolutely plays them. But nothing he has said gives the indication that GZ is ready for Arsenal first team yet. The true test will be in July and August.
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Post #15
Friday April 8, 2016 5:52pm

Joined Sep 2013
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=B

Would you like to check back in a year lol

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