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rainORshine
Post #1
Wednesday March 18, 2015 5:56pm

Joined Dec 2012
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if you havent seen sounders sign on for 10 more years at the Clink - taking the agreement through 2028.

this is really sad IMO. sure, 40K is great but, its not really that great of a soccer experience in 70K football stadium - with fake grass

and yes ive been to several sounders games. from a soccer atmosphere perspective i would rather go to a timbers pre-season game than a sounders game (although i have also been to many timbers games i do not live in portland area and am not coming at that from a homer perspective). number of fans is secondary to the actual facility

if there is one franchise/city that deserves an SSS its SSFC. there really ought to be a world class soccer facility in seattle in next 5 years, but obviously not going to happen

really disappointing

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #2
Wednesday March 18, 2015 6:34pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,191
Original post from rainORshine

if you havent seen sounders sign on for 10 more years at the Clink - taking the agreement through 2028.

this is really sad IMO. sure, 40K is great but, its not really that great of a soccer experience in 70K football stadium - with fake grass

and yes ive been to several sounders games. from a soccer atmosphere perspective i would rather go to a timbers pre-season game than a sounders game (although i have also been to many timbers games i do not live in portland area and am not coming at that from a homer perspective). number of fans is secondary to the actual facility

if there is one franchise/city that deserves an SSS its SSFC. there really ought to be a world class soccer facility in seattle in next 5 years, but obviously not going to happen

really disappointing


I found this to be quite a shock mostly because they are requiring expansion teams to have SS stadium plans in place before admitting them to the league. I really feel that MLS needs a mandate that all clubs will have a SS stadium by year X. I am guessing not going to happen until at least 2029

admsghs27
Post #3
Wednesday March 18, 2015 6:52pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
I was very Disappointed a team as Successful as the Sounders this early on i thought they should of build their own SS Stadium 40-45k with the ability to expand in the future. And it is true Timbers have a better atmosphere than the Sounders even tho they have more fans, is just the way the Stadium is built. And speaking of Timbers i think they should expand to 30-35K Soon. I'm sure they will sell out every game easily.

blaise213
Post #4
Wednesday March 18, 2015 7:59pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,335
I hate the turf but they need better turf. Im glad that problem has been addressed

skangles
DC
Post #5
Wednesday March 18, 2015 9:50pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,449
Original post from Kamphgruppe

I found this to be quite a shock mostly because they were requiring expansion teams to have SS stadium plans in place before admitting them to the league.


Fixed your post. This is the MLS where Garber changes the rules with the wind. See Atlanta, a team that will soon join the league and won admission under a bid that ensures that they will share a stadium with the Falcons. Horrible.

dolcem
Post #6
Wednesday March 18, 2015 10:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
I'm no Eurosnob but this is a complete joke and a black eye on the league.

Soccer is played on GRASS. You don't play tennis on concrete or golf on turf. Aside from mini-golf.

It only discourages dribbling and playing the ball on the ground, further exacerbating the problems American soccer has. What about all of this making the MLS a top league by 2020. We aren't going to get there playing route one soccer on turf.

I'm a Sounders fan and we're supposed to be the pride of the MLS but I way prefer watching us play on the road. I would not mind having fewer people at the games if it meant a better product and more TV viewership. We need an SSS.

Or why not make the Seahawks and Mariners share Safeco (it's not like the M's are ever playing in October anyway) and give Qwest to the Sounders. Unlike the Seahawks, the Sounders (both the MLS one and the original) were well-supported from the beginning. We deserve it.
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admsghs27
Post #7
Wednesday March 18, 2015 11:06pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Is Amazing how some of our MLS teams have to play in Turf, i mean soccer should be played in grass and i'm sure we have more than enough $$ to maintain a good grass field during the season or even all year round. I mean how much can it cost ???

BG6
Post #8
Wednesday March 18, 2015 11:08pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 97
Dolcem 2tone or others, something I have long wondered about is the contention that the stadium cannot support natural grass (same argument for Portland I believe). So you know have there been actual studies supporting this argument? I am wondering how and why this is determined. I understand the potential overuse with the teams sharing it but with all the different strains of grass not the weather argument at all. I have tried to get an answer for the revs too but shockingly Kraft does reply to my inquiries .

It seems now the overuse and supporting two teams is maybe misplaced as well. With some of the hybrid playing surfaces rising to the fore and validated in multiple football and soccer venues you think the teams would be pushing to have these types of playing surfaces installed for the benefits of player wear and tear and quality of play for both sports.

Has there been any talk of movig to a hybrid surface in Seattle? I agree with the other posters as a fan of one of the teams with the worst environments in the league I am jealous of the Sounders and their base. They deserve better

skangles
DC
Post #9
Wednesday March 18, 2015 11:45pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,449
Average annual rainfall in Seattle = 38 inches
Average annual rainfall in England = 36.5 inches

I never understood the weather argument.

hamsamwich
Post #10
Thursday March 19, 2015 1:38am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,630
I brought that up before 2tone says it's nonsense and grass grows just fine there....

Rewind in time- I would've preferred the Fire re-leased the bears stadium, because the bad stadium deal in Bridgeview has been a nightmare from the beginning. If the Sounders don't have a stadium plan ready to go, they could do worse than filling that loud mega stadium. The turf is part of that trade off.

skangles
DC
Post #11
Thursday March 19, 2015 2:21am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,449
You do have a point in that Soldier Field is one of the best located stadiums in the country. Perfect proximity to downtown. I'm surprised they haven't lined up a Super Bowl at Soldier Field yet now that the cold weather stadium taboo has been lifted.

I would love to see a SSS in downtown Chicago.

hamsamwich
Post #12
Thursday March 19, 2015 12:24pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,630
I mean we all know Seattle is a fantastic franchise with good fans and ownership, I am sure they are looking for the "right" deal, not just any deal.

I still think a newer SSS in downtown could be about 10 years out. There have been rumblings already that staying in Bridgeview just won't work for the club. The importance of a correct location, from my experience, makes a big difference. That's a warning to others not to end up like the Fire.

skangles
DC
Post #13
Thursday March 19, 2015 12:36pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,449
I think it varies across the country as RSL is doing fine in Sandy instead of Salt Lake and Houston struggles to fill their downtown facility (I'm not suggesting Houston would be better off in the 'burbs just that being downtown doesn't solve everything).

MLS had this insane idea that they needed to be closer to their target markets in the suburbs to succeed. If they really want to cater to families they'd be better off having more afternoon games. I would love to take my daughter to a DC United game but 7:00pm kickoff is way too late for her. United's only afternoon game at home all season was week 1 against Montreal.

hamsamwich
Post #14
Thursday March 19, 2015 1:12pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,630
Every market has it's own "correct" location be it the burbs, downtown ala KC, or whatever. But I definitely agree with you about the times of the games etc. first of all they are all over the map, I never really know when the next game will be. 7pm night starts are awkward, and I get your point about marketing to the kids, but the reality is we have a harsh climate in America. Very cold in winter, hot as hell (or sweaty nuts syndrome) as I imagine a 2pm Saturday kickoff would be. The schedule makers and marketers definitely have their challenges as they along with us, the fans, continue to grow the league. I get annoyed at our situation here with the Fire, but the number of SKC arenas or the new Quakes arena give me hope this is all going the right way overall. Sometimes it's better to learn from others mistakes, whatever they are, than having to make them yourself.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #15
Thursday March 19, 2015 4:37pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
No way does the best homefield advantage in the NFL move to a baseball stadium. That notion is absurd and laughable.

As far as the Grass/Turf notion. England might get almost as much rain as Seattle does, but most of those stadiums aren't a home field for 2 professional sports organization.

Also one of the bigger issues isn't so much the quality of the field because of wet sod that is overused, but it's also the painting, etc that is used for the Soccer lines, but more importantly the logos, etc for Football. With Turf they can just lift it up and replace it. But with the paint it starts to look sloppy if you are constantly painting over it, etc.

So overall yes it makes much more sense for $, injuries, pleasing to look at, etc to go with Turf over Grass in that kind of environment.
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