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TheTruth
Post #46
Saturday April 18, 2015 5:06pm

Joined Dec 2013
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This is beautiful. Now Rain is only using TEAM stats.

rainORshine
Post #47
Saturday April 18, 2015 6:35pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from TheTruth

This is beautiful. Now Rain is only using TEAM stats.


oh, didnt i mention the game-winning goal last night. thought i did...

camparkinson
Post #48
Sunday April 19, 2015 2:14am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 341
For me it's pretty simple.

Mix has been better (pretty easy eye test tells me and clearly Klinsmann all he needs to know) in the games he has played for the USA and Mix is younger.

Sacha had many many chances and didn't look up to it.

I think that means this thread is over now right?

Or will the silly love and arguments for a solid player who isn't international quality continue? Maybe that's where the name RainORshine comes from...

skangles
DC
Post #49
Sunday April 19, 2015 7:09am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,448
I would be very willing to give Sacha another shot. He has looked excellent since joining the Red Bulls. I hate the Red Bulls, cannot stand them but Sacha has been a great use of a DP spot.

The last time I can recall of Sacha in a MNT jersey he was being torched by Belgium in Cleveland. He has probably made an appearance or two since then that I'm forgetting but it's been long enough and he's playing well enough to give him another go around.

Jzaval01
Post #50
Sunday April 19, 2015 5:34pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Original post from rainORshine

absolutely. we just disagree about how getting that opportunity works. you and JK think putting in average performances in semi-pro norwegian league and being an utter failure for U-23s is the ticket.

some people think that is an odd way to assign opportunity

yes, everyone and their mother is going to look good v a mexico that plays SIX players with fewer caps than jordan morris

obviously tells us jack shit

see how that works?


yawn cant even take this seriously anymore.

rainORshine
Post #51
Monday April 20, 2015 6:34am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
aside from sacha's game winner this weekend:
- powers with another assist - goal and 2 assists in last 2 weeks
- feilhaber with league leading 5th assist

this is just about the time of the season when the cream begins to separate. will mix rise along with the best US attack-minded CMs in the league? we'll see.

people, including JK, have a choice:
A) keep the mix googles on and watch him pass your incredibly scientific "eye test"
B) keep an open mind and try to identify the best offensively oriented US CM in MLS

mix under lights in windy city on friday

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #52
Monday April 20, 2015 1:45pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
rainORshine,

Can you admit that B could be the option and it still be Mix?
Others may be of the opinion that is different than yours regarding best offensively oriented US CM in MLS. You think it's Sacha, JK doesn't necessarily agree with you. People have different opinions (and neither have to be right or wrong).
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hamsamwich
Post #53
Monday April 20, 2015 2:21pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,413
Mix hair dominates the sachastache.

munns5986
Post #54
Monday April 20, 2015 2:30pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 277
Original post from rainORshine

aside from sacha's game winner this weekend:
- powers with another assist - goal and 2 assists in last 2 weeks
- feilhaber with league leading 5th assist

this is just about the time of the season when the cream begins to separate. will mix rise along with the best US attack-minded CMs in the league? we'll see.

people, including JK, have a choice:
A) keep the mix googles on and watch him pass your incredibly scientific "eye test"
B) keep an open mind and try to identify the best offensively oriented US CM in MLS

mix under lights in windy city on friday


Not saying the answer is Mix but this is the problem with your statement. Keep an open mind. You will never keep an open mind when it comes to Mix. Sacha is your boy and I respect that. Don't tell people to do something though when you won't do the same.

Sacha is playing well in MLS. That is great. It really helps the league. Mix is playing well also.I do hope Sacha gets another chance but based off of past USMNT performances I do not want that chance to come in a meaningful game. Once he proves himself in a regular friendly then I would consider him for a more important game. He just has not looked good to me in past games for anything more right now. For the record I am counting all games through the Gold Cup as meaningful right now.

MSantoine
Post #55
Monday April 20, 2015 3:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Individual stats take less and less importance as the team size increases. Look at NBA. 5v5. A single player can carry a team and dominate the league. In NBA very few teams win championships. Jordan, Duncan, Oneal, Bryant, Bird, Johnson, Olajuwon, Lebron, have won almost every championship of the last 25 years.

In NFL its 22v22. You can have the best player (JJ Watt) and not even make the playoffs. Dan Marino won nothing. Peyton Manning has just one ring. Brady is usually not even in the top 5-10 in passing yards and has 4 rings. Bradhshaw's numbers werent impressive. Montanas werent impressive. Matthew Stafford has some of the best single season numbers of all time. Drew Brees does too and he's only had one really successful season. Russel Wilson's numbers arent that great and he's been to two superbowls already.

Soccer is like football. Numbers and stats dont tell the whole story. You need to know who impacts the game the most. Who makes their teamates better. Who sways time of possession the most. Analytics are trying to put numbers on these things but you cant. When there's 10 other guys your playing with your impact gets smaller. You can make the perfect pass every time and your teamates can flub the trap, mis kick the ball, shoot it right at the keeper, not see the other wing making the run that you know would open up. Its hard for one player to make the impact, which is why its so hard comparing players. Is player A better than player B because his team is better? or is he just better? Its real hard to tell with stats

hamsamwich
Post #56
Monday April 20, 2015 3:41pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,413
I'd rather see Alfredo morales than Sacha K, in a meaningful game. Sacha has a tendency to fold a bit against the better players in a USMNT shirt.

Mix diskerud played better against Mexico than Sacha ever did in a USMNT shirt. This argument has been won by Jurgen and the gap between Hair and Stache will get wider.

camparkinson
Post #57
Monday April 20, 2015 5:23pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 341
I think this conversation has to change if Bradley is going to be the advanced CM in Klinsmann's set up.

If that is the case we are no longer looking for an attacking CM other than depth behind Bradley and we have to turn the attention to who is best wide. None of these attacking CM players will play at all if Bradley is used as he has been.

Mojofc
Post #58
Monday April 20, 2015 5:53pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 966
Original post from camparkinson

I think this conversation has to change if Bradley is going to be the advanced CM in Klinsmann's set up.

If that is the case we are no longer looking for an attacking CM other than depth behind Bradley and we have to turn the attention to who is best wide. None of these attacking CM players will play at all if Bradley is used as he has been.


Agreed, let's end this thread.
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC
dolcem
Post #59
Monday April 20, 2015 8:52pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from MSantoine

Soccer is like football. Numbers and stats dont tell the whole story.


Soccer is nothing like football. In football, stats at least tell us something. People analyze them a lot. When you hear football fans talking, they always bring up stats. In soccer, no one pays attention to stats. Real, educated soccer fans do not bring up stats. Never. That's why when you read rain's posts, it seems like he's talking about a different sport. It's obvious he's quite new to (following) soccer.
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MSantoine
Post #60
Monday April 20, 2015 9:01pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from dolcem

Soccer is nothing like football. In football, stats at least tell us something. People analyze them a lot. When you hear football fans talking, they always bring up stats. In soccer, no one pays attention to stats. Real, educated soccer fans do not bring up stats. Never. That's why when you read rain's posts, it seems like he's talking about a different sport. It's obvious he's quite new to (following) soccer.


Way to take something out of context. Soccer is nothing like football as a sport. one player out of 11 is the comparison I was making. Jeez

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