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rainORshine
Post #1
Friday March 13, 2015 7:27am

Joined Dec 2012
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first off, this is not meant to be a pro-sacha / anti-mix thread. its really meant to be an objective take on how these guys stack up as they step into MLS from europe and into central roles - both literally and figuratively - for their respective NY clubs

the comparison is now just too glaring to ignore. sacha was the darling of the 08 olympic squad and mix has been touted as a guy who can succeed in the middle for the MNT team where sacha has come up short.

week 1 observations:

i watched both games in their entirety and i have to say that i thought that sacha was dynamic, bordering on electric at times, while mix was ok. to me it seemed kljestan was often playing the game a step faster than the other 21 players - regarding speed of thought and the purpose / usefulness of his touches - for essentially 90 minutes, while mix was good at times and ordinary at other times

interesting tidbit from mlssoccer:

"Usage Rate" is the amount of passes a player attempts per 90 minutes divided by the the amount of passes his team attempts per game. Diskerud completed 72 of his 76 passes in the 1-1 opener against Orlando City, which gave him a 17.1 percent usage rate... only RBNY's Sacha Kljestan, at 17.3 percent, is higher...

pundit will parchman:

"the tactic (of playing mix in a deep-lying role) made NYCFC one dimensional, boring and unable to play almost any coherent soccer in the attacking third. Mix completed an astronomical 96 percent of his passes, but look how much time he spent horizontal. David Villa wept.

Of his blizzard of passes, he took about four real chances. The rest were careful, cautious and passed into anonymity almost immediately."

beyond that, obviously mix provided the game-changing moment for NYC, which is huge

while i thought sacha played really well, he did provide one give-away in defensive half that is all too common when he plays for MNT. he dallied on ball, was dispossessed, and he back line was left scrambling to put out the fire

team game stats:

shots: Orlando - 15 , NYC - 8 // KC - 18 , RB - 14
shots on target: Orl - 4, NYC - 1 // KC - 4, RB - 4
corners: Orl 6, NYC - 1 // KC - 6, RB - 9
possession: Orl - 52, NYC - 48 // KC - 43, RB - 57
passing accuracy: Orl - 84, NYC - 82 // KC - 63, RB - 74

NYC lost possession battle and had one shot on goal. how much of that is on mix?
RB absolutely bossed possession IN KC and equal shots on target? how much credit is sacha due?

overall, id say sacha was better, but mix had the goalaso
both helped team come out of tough road games with point

im calling it a tie

admsghs27
Post #2
Friday March 13, 2015 8:12am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
@Rainorshine How many beers have you had tonight ?? Just call it a night Mix was far better than Sacha on week 1. The season just started we have a long time to go. I think when is all set and done Mix will be the better player overall simply because he will be surrounded by better players specially if they get Xavi and when Lampard arrives.

rainORshine
Post #3
Friday March 13, 2015 2:39pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Round 2

Mix v NE
stache - bye week

all eyes on mix this week v depleted revs. we'll see if NYC can do better in midfield than "one dimensional, boring and unable to play almost any coherent soccer in the attacking third...(with mix's).. blizzard of passes, he took about four real chances. The rest were careful, cautious and passed into anonymity almost immediately."" (not my words)

or as probably our most trusted analyst admsghs27 might call it, "amazingly fluid with mix picking dangerous passes at will"?

enjoy week 2 guys!

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #4
Friday March 13, 2015 3:16pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,452
I don't even know what to say at this point. Mix is a better player.

This will be my first and last post on this thread.

TheTruth
Post #5
Friday March 13, 2015 3:22pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
I think this thread will become the longest running active thread in the history of Yanks Abroad. Starts today. Goes to Oct/Nov. I congratulate Rain in advance of this incredible accomplishment.

hamsamwich
Post #6
Friday March 13, 2015 4:39pm

Joined Oct 2013
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@chrisBP- hahahahaha. It got it's own thread!!!

stone88
Post #7
Friday March 13, 2015 5:32pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,517
Mix is a better player. I mean he scored a freaking goal in the first week, and it was a very nice one at that. How can you call it a tie? Sacha did ok, but come back down to reality, Dax played just as well in that RB midfield as sacha did.

Oh and the reason NYCFC looked so stagnate in the midfield for much of that game was because the midfield was too crowded and all very central, NYC had nobody stretching the width of the field and it nearly took Jason the entire game to realize this and to do something about it. It had nothing to do with Mix's play. You had mix, Grabavoy, Jacobson, and balouchy all in the midfield. All of these guy either play centrally or like to float in centrally. On top of that David Villia likes to drop drown centrally to pick up the ball in the midfield. It was very crowded in the middle and not until Jason put in Shelton, who can run at defenders on the outside stretching the opponent, did NYC really start to kick it in gear. Had that game continued another 20-30 mins NYC would have won. Villa started getting in wide places, one time that led to a goal. Shelton was having a good time running wide at defenders. And this all opened up the central midfield. Orlando got very lucky with a deflected free kick.

MSantoine
Post #8
Friday March 13, 2015 5:49pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Also I dont think you'll find many people who would say NYCFC is the better team. Everyone predicts NYRB will be much better. Sasha is playing with better players so his raw numbers should always look better. Its not about raw stats.

Know Nothing
Post #9
Friday March 13, 2015 6:02pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,702
...Meanwhile a certain J. Klinsmann has stated that a wunderkind by the name Gideon Zelalem appears ready for the USMNT, which makes this fascinating comparison more of an argument over NY bragging rights as opposed to one for the USMNT

When Lampard joins NYCFC, will this argument change as Mix will presumably move further up the pitch into a more attacking midfield spot?

admsghs27
Post #10
Friday March 13, 2015 6:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from TheTruth

I think this thread will become the longest running active thread in the history of Yanks Abroad. Starts today. Goes to Oct/Nov. I congratulate Rain in advance of this incredible accomplishment.


No way i don't think it beats the Bradley/Jones thread remember that one ? i think is like 300+ pages long or something.

federov
Post #11
Friday March 13, 2015 7:40pm

Joined Dec 2014
Total Posts: 97
If either of these gentlemen are in our Gold Cup starting XI....well....I'm going to be upset.

hamsamwich
Post #12
Friday March 13, 2015 8:07pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
I preferred the legend of mixx as opposed to the actual mix. When he lost the second x he lost his aura. Great player but not a legend. Fantastic hair.

rainORshine
Post #13
Friday March 13, 2015 9:46pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from MSantoine

Also I dont think you'll find many people who would say NYCFC is the better team. Everyone predicts NYRB will be much better. Sasha is playing with better players so his raw numbers should always look better. Its not about raw stats.


much better? most preseason predictions / power rankings that i have seen have both teams battling in the middle of the eastern conference for one of last ploy-off spots.

NYRB has nobody NEAR the quality of villa, or lampard when he arrives. or whatever 3rd DP they snag this summer

RB lost henry, cahill, looks like luyindula and their entire central defense

people rightly recognize mccarty as one of the stars of this team, which proves the mediocrity of the overall roster

rainORshine
Post #14
Friday March 13, 2015 9:46pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from 2tone

I don't even know what to say at this point. Mix is a better player.

This will be my first and last post on this thread.


what a shame - you will miss a fun discussion

cudevil
Post #15
Friday March 13, 2015 9:47pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 989
Original post from federov

If either of these gentlemen are in our Gold Cup starting XI....well....I'm going to be upset.


You're going to be upset if Mix is starting? Recent games suggest you will be upset then...

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