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USAGunner
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Post #61
Tuesday August 2, 2016 9:40pm

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England better wake up if they don't attempt to get a talented player like CCV. They aren't in the position to overlook someone like him. They aren't what they think they are.
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Know Nothing
Post #62
Tuesday August 2, 2016 11:37pm

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Original post from TheTruth

Oh for fuck's sake. We don't even have to think about cap tying him until/unless England U21s call him in.


If the England U-21's call him doesn't he have to put in a one time switch since he played for us ina FIFA sanctioned event? I dare say if he wanted to switch he would have done so already and we would have heard about it already.

Know Nothing
Post #63
Tuesday August 2, 2016 11:39pm

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Original post from USAGunner

England better wake up if they don't attempt to get a talented player like CCV. They aren't in the position to overlook someone like him. They aren't what they think they are.


Their loss, but there are other equally talented 18 year old defenders already in the England youth ranks.

USAGunner
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Post #64
Wednesday August 3, 2016 1:31pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Their loss, but there are other equally talented 18 year old defenders already in the England youth ranks.


This might be true, but they aren't in a position to not try and get one. You don't win championships by only having a couple talented young players and hoping maybe 1-2 will work out. You do it by having a LOT of them and having multiple ones work out.

The hit rate of youth players actually making it and doing well in professional sports is extremely small.

It's NEVER a good strategy to hang your hat on a few individuals. It's always good to have as many prospects as possible. Which is why Jurgen has done so much to expand the USA pool. Getting more dual-nationals, having more youth academies, having more youth international teams (U-19), etc. The more kids you have in the system, the better chance you have of getting quality players.
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Know Nothing
Post #65
Wednesday August 3, 2016 4:42pm

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Original post from USAGunner

This might be true, but they aren't in a position to not try and get one. You don't win championships by only having a couple talented young players and hoping maybe 1-2 will work out. You do it by having a LOT of them and having multiple ones work out.

The hit rate of youth players actually making it and doing well in professional sports is extremely small.

It's NEVER a good strategy to hang your hat on a few individuals. It's always good to have as many prospects as possible. Which is why Jurgen has done so much to expand the USA pool. Getting more dual-nationals, having more youth academies, having more youth international teams (U-19), etc. The more kids you have in the system, the better chance you have of getting quality players.


Recruitment is a double edged sword, especially for England. If they actively campaigned to get CCV, they could lose more than one potential quality defender in their set up to other countries.

As has has been pointed out in this thread, it is easy for England to lose players to Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Ireland. Add to that the number of players who could also qualify for Jamaica or some of the African nations and they have a potential problem.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #66
Wednesday August 3, 2016 7:57pm

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You always stand the risk of losing people. But you recruit and try to get the best possible. If you lose others because they don't want the competition or are scared of it, so they go elsewhere, then so be it. You take those loses.
But you do not choose to NOT recruit or go after a talented player for fear of losing another. UNLESS the person you are scared of losing is a 100% sure-fire World Class player.
I'd venture to say that out of the U-23's for England right now there isn't a better prospect than CCV. There are some who are as good or maybe slightly better such as Holding or Chambers. But there is no one who you would be like we are scared to lose them if we go after CCV.
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Know Nothing
Post #67
Wednesday August 3, 2016 8:23pm

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Original post from USAGunner

You always stand the risk of losing people. But you recruit and try to get the best possible. If you lose others because they don't want the competition or are scared of it, so they go elsewhere, then so be it. You take those loses.
But you do not choose to NOT recruit or go after a talented player for fear of losing another. UNLESS the person you are scared of losing is a 100% sure-fire World Class player.
I'd venture to say that out of the U-23's for England right now there isn't a better prospect than CCV. There are some who are as good or maybe slightly better such as Holding or Chambers. But there is no one who you would be like we are scared to lose them if we go after CCV.


I'll agree that out of the England U-23's there isn't a defender with as much upside as CCV. BUT there are a few U-19's with as much, if not more, upside than CCV that are duals.

Besides pissing off duals, it is down to CCV to decide if he wants to switch. He will know who his competition is in the England setup, what his chances are for multiple caps as opposed to the US.

MSantoine
Post #68
Wednesday August 3, 2016 8:48pm

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You also risk pissing off the veterans if you hand a 19 year old with little to no experience a cap. National team appearances are to be earned. Look at rashford. It wasn't until he was one of the epl best strikers the last month did England give him a call in.

Know Nothing
Post #69
Wednesday August 3, 2016 10:13pm

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At any rate I don't think the CCV situation needs addressing right now. The only real pushovers in England's qualifying group are Malta and Lithuania. England will want to build up points early so they will field a strong squad against Malta in their second qualifying match. Lithuania is their fifth qualifying match in March...again too early to take the foot off for qualifying.

Assuming he is part of the first team as the 4th CD, he will not be released by Spurs for anything other than a FIFA sanctioned match. I doubt an England call up will occur before Sept. 2017 (second Malta match) so we can include him on the Gold Cup roster and cap tie him there (Brooks, Birnbaum, Cameron, CCV is not too shabby).

On top of that, since he has played for us in a FIFA sanctioned tournament, he will have to file for a switch before he can play, which takes time.

recycledhumans
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Post #70
Wednesday August 3, 2016 10:27pm

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My opinion: The Brits aren't trying to advertise that they need/want to expand their player pool. Even if they could have him AND wanted him, stories about England making overtures to players to play for them "sends the wrong signal" and counteracts the narrative of "Next tournament, THAT'S when we'll get it together...nothing needs to change" they've espoused for just about as long as I can remember. It's always the next manager that'll be the savior, hardly ever have I read an article about an FA official or someone equally high profile advocating a top-down overhaul of the national system.

They started to, with their center for elite development, but I haven't heard anything about that since it opened...seems like everyone but the journos are too nice to call a spade a spade and do what it takes to compete with top teams for highly touted multinational talent.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #71
Thursday August 4, 2016 3:08pm

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All of that might be true, but if a vet is upset that you gave a 19 year old 2' of time on the pitch to cap-tie him. Then they have bigger issues to deal with. And if England is still in that mode, then they won't win EVER. Because they won't have another golden generation except by pure luck.
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Know Nothing
Post #72
Thursday August 4, 2016 3:41pm

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Well, some say the English invented stubbornness.

federov
Post #73
Friday August 5, 2016 7:00pm

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So we're pretty certain that CCV chooses the US?

I am content.

Know Nothing
Post #74
Friday August 5, 2016 9:22pm

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I am. No word has come out that he has put in for a switch so I assume he is content as well.

Both situations are similar with regards to the England and US MNT's.

Cahill - 30 Cameron - 31
Smalling - 26 Brooks - 23
Stones - 22 Birnbaum - 25
Besler - 29

There are a few good CD's in the England setup he would be in competition with to make the full national team while the only real competition he has with the US is Miazga. Looking at it that way the US offers the path of least resistance.

Add to that he has played a bit as a holding midfielder at Spurs and he would have less competition there with us as well.

MSantoine
Post #75
Saturday August 6, 2016 2:53pm

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England's player pool for central defenders is guys who start for arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester, Liverpool. Our pool is made up of guys who play in mls, mid table bundesliga teams, and championship league teams.

I think I know which one is the easier path.

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