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Post #151
Monday March 16, 2015 5:14pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from hamsamwich

At some point though, winning is a mentality and a habit. Either you're a winner or you aren't. Anyone who has played a lot of sports knows what I'm saying. Yes there are 11 players, and as individuals they play ok, but need to do more as a team to win.

Player development remains the priority though and is why we like to play the Dutch style 4-3-3. At all levels. Pulisic, de la Torre, and Perez have all been good.


Although I agree to an extent that winning is a mentality it does change very quickly. Look in the NFL how quickly the loser Seahawks turned around. Look at this year NBA Atlanta Hawks. They were schmuks for the last 6-7 years now they are one of the best teams. Same as Golden State Warriors. They were pathetic for Curry and Klay's first few years. Now they are a championship contender.

Its really about the individual at this level. You can have one or two great players but a weak gk or lack of quality defenders and your done in. At the senior level you have a pool of about 10 years of players (5 cycles). Thats plenty of cycles to cover each others weaknesses as long as they eventually come through. The problem with US youth recently is we havent been developing any defenders. We've had to rely on dual nationals or converted midfielders. Once we develp a couple of those the rest will fall into place.

There's no real correlation between youth tourney success and senior team success. I can point out examples of both.

Brazil won 2003 and was runner up 2005. Those guys would all be 25-28 now, the prime players the last two world cups. They havent done much (even at home they finished a dissapointing for them 4th).

Germany hasnt made a final appearance since 1985. Spain was runner up in 03 & in 07. Nigeria always does well. Italy never does. Ghana was great through the 90s and had success in 2010 when those guys reached their prime.

admsghs27
Post #152
Monday March 16, 2015 11:01pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 5,931
If we play this way in the WC expect an early exit. Changes needs to be made from coaching to player personnel. I'm sure there are other players better than some of the ones we have that haven't gotten a chance yet.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #153
Monday March 16, 2015 11:09pm

Joined Jul 2012
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It's good they qualified.

Youth players/teams are very inconsistent. There is some very good individual talent at this level, and really that's what it is about in the end. Producing individual talent to rise through the ranks and to ultimately play at the senior level. I don't get a frig about winning youth WC's to be honest.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #154
Tuesday March 17, 2015 3:07am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 2,857
Exactly thats why I laugh when Mexitrolls whip out a U17 WC or an Olympics medal. They're nice and all but they have zero weight on the senior team.

admsghs27
Post #155
Tuesday March 17, 2015 3:35am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from EKneezy

Exactly thats why I laugh when Mexitrolls whip out a U17 WC or an Olympics medal. They're nice and all but they have zero weight on the senior team.

I hate Mexico more than anything but their senior team has much more than USA. Let's not forget they won the confederations cup vs non other than Brazil while we failed vs them.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #156
Tuesday March 17, 2015 5:00am

Joined Jul 2012
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Lets not forget that winning a Confed cup means next to nothing. The World Cup is all that matters. The last time I checked the USA knocked Mexico out of a modern day WC in 2002. And I don't care what people say, but the USA finished third in the first ever World Cup.

Mexico is a perennial flatter to deceive nation at senior World Cups.

Mexico has always done pretty well at the youth level. Nothing has changed in that respect.

Mexico has the most losses at the Senior World Cup level.

In Modern World Cups(1990 to present) Mexico has more round of 16 appearances, but the USA has been to 7 consecutive WC's. Mexico was not at the 1990 WC. The USA also has been to the QF's in 2002 knocking out none other than Mexico in the round of 16.

admsghs27
Post #157
Tuesday March 17, 2015 5:32am

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Mexico is much better than USA we have to admit it. We have done better as of late of historically the whole world considers them better than us. Yes we beat them at the wc but what have we won ??? A meaningless crap gold cup ?? Every time we have a 50% chance to win either us or Mexico. I bet if we had a sub 17 or gold medal or confederations we would be bragging about those titles that were the best here.

hamsamwich
Post #158
Tuesday March 17, 2015 7:34am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,408
For once I agree. Their players are much better. Even players I thought would be a bum like hector Herrera. For whatever reason (I vote technical skills) their players seem to make more of an impact abroad than ours do. Personally I feel like USA is starting to tilt the scales in our favor, but that's just very recently. It wasn't so long ago we could only bunker and counter against them. Part of enjoying the ride is seeing things for how they truly are. It's taken a lot of hard work to catch up to the Mexicans.

If the World Cup is all that matters, USA may suck for a long time yet.

coverby
Post #159
Tuesday March 17, 2015 8:12am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 451
Considering the outcomes of all the confederations cups a year later, I don't think I'd want the US to win it.

Rey Regicide
Post #160
Tuesday March 17, 2015 12:41pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,637
In the Under 20's Luis Gil's group, it looked like we were more direct, more concerned with getting a volume of shots than actually possessing the ball. Once we got into the WC, at the very least against Spain, Ghana and France it looked like we tried to pass the ball, to varying degrees of effectiveness, I wonder if the playing field(the literal field) has something to do with that. We might see a shift to the strengths of the individual attacking players once we play on better grass.

All this might be wishful thinking.

TheTruth
Post #161
Tuesday March 17, 2015 2:22pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 943
Mexico is a lock for the 2nd round of the WC. Every time. That's impressive.

I think those poor bastards are just so physically inferior to everyone. Look at them. It's a little sad. But I guess that explains the youth success - like I always say, youth sports are all about who grows first, so maybe Mehico is just picking the kids who have finished growing at 5'7", 140 so they're "men." Poor bastards.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #162
Tuesday March 17, 2015 2:57pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,001
I have to admit something I don't believe? No Mexico is not better than the U.S. the stats say otherwise. Since 2000 the U.S has more Gold cup trophies. The U.S. has a winning record against Mexico. The U.S. has finished a top of Wc qualifying more times. And the U.S. has made it to the QF's of a WC beating none other than Mexico in the round of 16.

Youth means jack squat. Senior level is what counts.

Live490
Texas
Post #163
Tuesday March 17, 2015 3:22pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,110
US is was better till this cup. US and jk'S tactics were horrible and his selection was a bit off. Mexico was one if the top 4 teams that actually played soccer. Chile, Germany, and Colombia were the others. I think they would have made the finals if they had not been eliminated by Holland. We don't have a player of Vela's caliber. We had a Donovan. Not anymore. Then they have Herrera. Those two players, Vela especially are in a different level. Maybe if Bradley had stayed in Europe, he could have been there but he isn't. And I hate Mexico. I hate that Donovan is gone. That Dempsey is almost out. Glad that Bradley still has around 6-8 years but who else can we count on? Jones is almost out too. Jozy is inconsistent but hopefully this year he turns it around but, how many times have i or we wished for that? I honestly dont see Mix stepping it up yet. Fabjo is good but doesn't have his position set. These friendlies are important as hell. hopefully jk takes a good roster.

dolcem
Post #164
Tuesday March 17, 2015 5:17pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,661
Original post from TheTruth

Mexico is a lock for the 2nd round of the WC. Every time. That's impressive.

I think those poor bastards are just so physically inferior to everyone. Look at them. It's a little sad. But I guess that explains the youth success - like I always say, youth sports are all about who grows first, so maybe Mehico is just picking the kids who have finished growing at 5'7", 140 so they're "men." Poor bastards.


If by "physically inferior" you mean small, that never seemed to cause Spain any problems.
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admsghs27
Post #165
Tuesday March 17, 2015 6:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 5,931
Original post from 2tone

I have to admit something I don't believe? No Mexico is not better than the U.S. the stats say otherwise. Since 2000 the U.S has more Gold cup trophies. The U.S. has a winning record against Mexico. The U.S. has finished a top of Wc qualifying more times. And the U.S. has made it to the QF's of a WC beating none other than Mexico in the round of 16.

Youth means jack squat. Senior level is what counts.


I wont argue that as of late we have been better because i think we have been. Since 2000 we have a better record than them but you look at all the games played most have been here on U.S Soil only 5 games at Mexico which we won one for the first time. Historically they have a 33-14-18 record vs USA we have a long way to go to catch them head to head. And they have played in more WCs than us. We finished 3rd in 1930 but in that WC there was only 13 teams and that 3rd place match was never played vs Yugoslavia. Either way at the Senior level they have accomplished much more than USA. And even here they still have the Most Gold cups 6 to 5 but we could tie them this year. And when it comes to the Senior level stats and accomplishments matter a lot.

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